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Mike's mod for .21

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Updated to version 6

This is the beginning of a mod. First, i would like to say that this is not an attack on the staff of this game in any way; i feel they have done an amazing job making this the best Grigsby game since BtR.

This mod adjusts aircraft, TOE, ground elements, and leaders. More may follow. If you have any good documented ideas feel free to share them.

Changes.
1)Aircraft.
Me109's have been downgraded. This plane was a dog, particularly the G-6. Probably should be lowered more but the howling from the Luftwaffe fan boys would be more than i could handle.

Fw190a8 and D9 have been downgraded slightly, the A8 particularly was overloaded. I may reverse this and instead raise the mnvr of the A4 and A5 which were pretty much the peak of A series FW's. A8 equals 34.5 mnvr and A4 equals 35.5 mnvr. That kind of thing.

P40N was a dog, the worst of the P40s and the object of a Congressional investigation. Lowered Mnvr.

P39Q, added 1 armour, lowered durability.

Slight adjustments to reliability of Halifax and Lancaster bombers in particular. Also, made the B26B reliability worse, but increased it's mnvr.

Made the He219 slightly better.

Fixed the engine on the P51B/C-1. In game the engine is the same as the B/C-10, which is inaccurate. The B/C-1's best speed altitude changed from 25,000ft to 20,000ft.


2)TOE.
Very slight change so far, added a few more 76 gun Sherman's to American tank battalions only. In vanilla i fear too many 75 gun Sherman's will still be in service in late 44, early 45.

3)Ground elements.
So far this has been mostly fixing survivability on Sherman's. This is the
only thing where i feel 2by3 dropped the ball. The Sherman burning up is a myth that any decent historian knows. The US army did tests on PzIVH's and Shermans and found that dry Shermans burned about 2% less often than PzIVH's, and that Tigers burned about half as often and Panthers maybe 60% as often.

I raised the survivability of the dry Sherman's to 5 and lowered the PzIV survivability to 6. You will note that my info means the numbers should be about the same, but Axis fan boys, so i will leave it at 6.

4)Leaders.

Monty, lowered infantry ability, i have very little respect for Monty. I raised his morale to 8 as he was probably the most inspiring Allied leader.

Eisenhower, lowered morale, raised infantry. I respect Eisenhower more than most, but he was not particularly inspirational.

Guderian. He should be removed, but instead I lowered his abilities.

Sepp Dietrich. !@#$%^&*!!! You are freaking kidding me, this man was a party crony and drinking buddy of Hitler's, every battle he was in he showed how bone headed he was. I left his morale alone, but lowered everything else.

Modified slightly a number of American officers.
Crerar or whatever, i lowered slightly, but Simonds i raised slightly.

Raised Lawton Collins abilities slightly, best American corps commander.

Airmen.
Lowered Coningham, Brereton, and Leigh-Mallory's abilities. Raised Park, Quesada and Twinning's abilities.

Installation.
Place all 4 files in your Gary Grigsby's war in the west/Dat folder.
If you would like to save the original files, before you install copy the same four files from that 'Dat' folder to another location, I use GGWitW/temp for my backups.

New intructions: There are now two picture files. The larger image of an aircraft is 107Kb, this gets copied to Warinthewest/Dat/Art/Photo
The second image is 1.5 Kb and copies to Warinthewest/Dat/Art/Units

These two images will have no negative effect on your game if you are not using my mod.

The 43-45 scen file goes into dat/scen folder
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RE: Mike's first mod

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Oh, and i forgot to ask a question.

As it stands the Allies can have P51B/C-1's escorting bombers in the second week of September. In the real world I think the first unit did not transition to P51B's till October and the first 8th AF bomber escort was not till December and first German plane shot down by a P51 WHILE ESCORTING BOMBERS was not till January '44.

Should I change the arrival date for the P51B-1? From June 43 till September 43 (when the factories convert to P51B-10) changed to July 43 to September 43 which means the plane will be in production for a very short period of time.
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Next question, 2by3, can we mod VPs? I tried loading the '43-'45 scenario, going to the map and checking vp cities and i see nothing, so then i checked the lists, specifically 'locations' which seemed logical and i see no vp information.

thanks,
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Next question, 2by3, can we mod VPs?

Not yet, but it should be added quite soon.

Edit. You can edit VPs of the short (limited map) scenarios.
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Here is an updated 43-45 campaign with increased Commonwealth pilot pools, a few aircraft on both sides have very small pools now, etc.

British Ventura's were increased a fair amount, the British may not have liked them but they were still on inventory and with the way patrol and recon aircraft pools drop in game i felt the need to increase something.

Also increased F-5 pools as the F-4 is skipped in game and from my sources most of the F's in Tunisia were converted to unarmed recon planes after the G's and H's arrived.
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Next question, does anyone have production info for the JU88/188 recon versions? I have some production data on other versions but none at all on the 88D or the 188 recon.

Thanks,
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Thanks Denniss, I figured 'My books and notes from the Library of fricken' Congress don't mention recon 88 numbers, i won't bother checking Wikipedia.'

And Wikipedia had it. Well, thanks!
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RE: Mike's first mod

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Version 2 modified the A20/Boston adding a bit of Mnvr.
Also, re-do of the A36. The A36 was never, ever called the Apache, that is a myth from the '80's. The A36 was always the Mustang.
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Apache is a valid name for the A-36 as it was used by North American to separate it from the Mustang.
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That is not correct. That myth was started by amateur historians in the 1980's. North American discussed giving a new name, either 'invader' or 'apache' to the A36 but the USAAF refused, the 'invader' name was already in use for the XA-26 project and the USAAF felt the A36 was just a version of the P51.

The name 'Apache' was thus never used except in a few memos going back and forth between NAA and the USAAF in early '42. These memos were discovered in the 80's and amateur historians everywhere started calling the A36 'Apache', but it was never used by the USAAF.
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Mod is updated in first post.
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Mike Decourcy2;

Its a brave man who tampers with the 109. An accurate war in the west (or east for that matter) can only come in a mod. The Jerry fans wouldn't buy it otherwise.

yours
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Yeah, the G-6 was a disaster. I have read accounts from a half dozen British and American aces who flew 109's and they tell about it's problems. I have read German accounts from production chiefs trying to cancel the 109 because the Luftwaffe did not want it but they couldn't because of Messerschmitt's political pull.

For example, the Fw190 is known as a poor turner, it's theoretical turn rate was much less than the Bf109. This dies not tell the whole story though; because of the narrow cockpit the pilot was only capable of exerting very limited force on his controls. Unfortunately for him at 300mph the elevators were unmovable by a 109 pilot. Unmovable. All of that theoretical turn rate was useless.
On the 190 the theoretical turn rate was poor but due to good design even at 300mph the pilot could turn at the max theoretical rate, or near enough.

The 109 was aerodynamically a nightmare, and the G series particularly the 6 and later were overloaded. Supposedly the -10 was a bit cleaner and the -14 more so but i have very little first hand reports of those two models, and remember they were quite late war.
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On tanks burning, the Panther operationally tended to burn especially when the fuel tanks were not full seems it had a pariculair problem with vapour.

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Okay, I just read more about the Spitfire then I ever wanted to know. Thought I knew some, but no I did not.

What i am thinking about is mnvr ratings. We have: (In Parenthesis my mod)
33(32) P40N
34-36 P47 probably a hair overrated.
32-34 P38 probably underrated, particularly the 'L'
36 P51
34 Spit V
35 Spit IX & VIII

35(34) Most 109G's
35 Fw190A

Okay, what i am seeing here is after what i read the Spit/190 numbers do not look correct. The 190 was clearly better than the Spit V, thus the VIII program and then the crash program for the IX.
I had thought, from basic encyclopedia's etc that the Spit VIII was significantly better than the IX but from the technical reading and pilot reports i just read this was not so; the VIII and IX were almost identical between 21000-25000ft, the LF IX was better than the VIII at less than 21000 and the HF IX was better than the VIII at above 25000.

Also, from all reports etc it showed that the IX and VIII were significantly more maneuverable than the 190A. I am contemplating leaving the F-IX at 35, and changing the LF & HF IX plus the VIII to 36 mnvr to represent this superiority. Remember, the 190 still has more durability which makes a significant difference in combat.

What does everybody think? I am still contemplating lowering the P51D to 35 as well, stability, porpoising etc. The 51D was know to be limited below 20000ft, both the 190 and N1K George beat up 51D's below 20000.
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Okay, next update.
This fixes the climb rate and max speed altitude of the Spit XII which were both too high. Aircraft design is just like tank design, there are trade offs. The Spit XII traded higher mnvr by shortening it wings with a slower climb and lower max speed altitude.

Also, for whatever reason the Ventura has a laughably small bomb loadout in the game, i canged those 100lb bombs to 250lb bombs and again i am being generous for the Axis. The Ventura II's carried mines, torpedos etc.
I added mines as a loadout but have not yet added a torpedo.
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Minor update, fixes the armament on the Me410, minor changes on loadout for P47D's.

All updates are in first post.
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I'll play if your axis...[;)] (southern humor)
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RE: Mike's first mod

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Sure, this mod does not help either side. I am used to BTR where i just set all of my factories to Do335's on the first turn; I started playing this and I was like "What? I can't switch the entire Axis war economy? Obviously Gary Grigsby hates me!".
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