Der Newbie: Turn 8 I leik pockets

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarossa (aka lets point out Timo's mistakes)

Post by Hermann »

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

Pressed the AI button to bomb airfields 3 times.

I think the results were OK.



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You've pretty much wiped out your own air force here. The 120 on support and attack effectively mean no units will
fly to support your troops.
Percent required to fly is Ok for the initial wave of airbase bombings but you want to kick it up
to 40% minimum after you bomb airfields at the beginning of your turn give some time for your damaged
aircraft to return to your units. Ground support at 120 means you wont get any ground support at all
and that'll lose you battles. if your units are operating at 20% the odds of reaching 120% of establishment
are nil. Remember you're setting the minimum number of your air units total TOE that it will operate at.
running escort and intercept at 40% is ok for Germans bad for Russians. But 10% airfield escort is suicidal
for bombers because that's where enemy fighters live and opposition will be heavy interdiction attack and
escort can be low the value of that attack is to disrupt movement and you want to hit as much as you can
40% is great City attack you want only full strength units to maximize damage and don't worry about
scout escorts unless you want to draw out enemy fighters
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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ORIGINAL: Timotheus

Hold the presses!

This newb has learned a momentous thing!

You see, when your turn is active and you are the one moving your units, they are marked like so:

5-10, where the first number is the Combat Value and the second number is the movement points.

But enemy units are marked with the "=" sign, like so:

2=9, where the first number is the attacking strength and the second number is the defensive strength.


Yes, I did not know that, I just winged it. [8|]

Now I press "Z" key all the time.

And now, on with the show!


watch it those numbers AND your combat effectiveness are influenced by the recon level of the hex
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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"Ouch mega pocket of soviet troops in the center."

Yes, yes, yessss... daddy likes! [:D]

"You've pretty much wiped out your own air force here. The 120 on support and attack effectively mean no units will
fly to support your troops".

Yep.

But no support ONLY on turn 1, which I believe has such severe anti-Soviet penalties that it does not matter. Later on I get lots of support, because a German fighter unit which is at partial strength beats handily or at least handles roughly two Soviet air units.

"Ground support at 120 means you wont get any ground support at all
and that'll lose you battles."

Really?

I have been getting lots of air support in my battles? Weird. As for airfield bombing, that was only done on turn one and I have never done it again.

I have never done city attack, either, what's the point?

"watch it those numbers AND your combat effectiveness are influenced by the recon level of the hex."

Yup, keep forgetting, that the numbers I see are not necessarily the truth... this is NOT a boardgame, this is a computer game, and we all know computers lie to us and are evil (Skynet - "I'll be back" [8D]).

Y'all gotta forgive me for my lame jokes, I am a lame jokes kinda guy. I figure if my wymyn suffer so should you, ya bastids [:D]
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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Turn 8 AGN

Continuing on, we have cleaned up the pocket - there were some Soviet divisions trapped by our panzer/motorized boys, and now there aren't any.

We have battled continuously to get closed to Leningrad. We only stopped attacking when our forces stopped routing the enemy and were HELD and SCOUTED. The guys must be exhausted by now...



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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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8 AGC

You liek pockets? I liek pockets! We all leik pockets! Even more than ice cream, which the godless Sovyet communists surely do not know exist.
Our troops know gut German ice cream, therefore they fight better.
They like that ice cream cold, our German troops fight better when they are cold after eating the gut German ice cream.

[&:] Don't ask, my jokes are getting TRULY lame. [&:]

On the other hand, check out that pocket.

Those are not just NKVD troops, there are tank and motorized and cavalry divisions in the kessel. 52nd tank division, 209th motorized, 51st tank, 37th Cavalry, 208th tank, 41st tank, as well as a Rifle division and some NKVD troops.

But perhaps... just perhaps... the XXXIX Corps (codename: "Der Yellow Sting!") got a little bit ahead of themselves... They are a bit far from the rest of the boys...


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On the positive note, check out THAT pocket! Oh, and also Der Newbie has shored the northern flank somewhat, so that the center of AGC and our airfields are not to be overrun by the enemy.

I think that the Soviet AI has missed an opportunity here to really give me trouble, it really is not attacking at all.


Aaaaaand... wasn't the pocket a little bit bigger and the enemy divisions in it a little more numerous? Me thinks that I have heard a lot of "vroom vroom" noises which perhaps meant enemy divisions escaping from our grasp.

Still, not a bad haul.
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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8 AGS

AGS does its thing, and by that I mean they pull a good pocket. Look at that 7=12 3rd tank, 204 motorized and 14th tank divisions.

Reckless Stallin' told the Stavka to hold the line and this is the result.

Stallin' is not stalling us too much, haha... hah... ha...

Should I stop with the jokes? [:-] But... Der Newbie thinks he is heeeee-larious [:'(]

The Romanians do their TING, slowly and methodically moving eastwards...

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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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Turn 8 Deep Thoughts

Der Newbie is partying hard at the Newbie-schanze - party hats for everyone, distributed by (Lo)Keitel! Some of the OKH and OKW fuddy daddies didn't like it, but Goering loved it and promised to design a new "party hardy!" uniform for our next meeting, complete with him wearing stockings and high heels, oh my! [8|]

Meanwhile, the Finns have cleaned up their border from enemy border/NKVD detachments but have not moved forward. Mannerheim will play it cool and does not want any attrition, apparently, and will move when Leningrad falls.

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We are doing guuuuut!

One thing to note: All three Axis Army Groups are doing their own thing - there is no support nor working together between them whatsoever. It is basically three separate wars that the Axis are fighting here.
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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AGN: In general, if your forward troops (here, 4th panzer army) are getting worn down, try to pull them back for a turn of rest. You'll be surprised how much their CV will improve. Of course that costs time, so you have to weigh the cost and benefit. But if you run into a stiff wall it often makes sense to pull the mobile units back and let the infantry assault the wall to clear space for your now well rested mobile units.

AGC: Your pocket SE of Smolensk is very easy for the Russians to break with just movement and no attacks. They have a triple stack immediately east of Das Reich. All they have to do is move one of those SW and then move up one of the ones in that same line one space NE and supply will be restored to your kessel. It would have been wiser IMHO to hold back the furthest advanced units of 3rd panzer to secure this pocket at that space and also at the SE edge where the Russians might be able to restore contact with a cav division.

AGS: No complaints here, this time you bagged those Russians securely. Nice work.
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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"AGC: Your pocket SE of Smolensk is very easy for the Russians to break with just movement and no attacks. They have a triple stack immediately east of Das Reich. All they have to do is move one of those SW and then move up one of the ones in that same line one space NE and supply will be restored to your kessel. It would have been wiser IMHO to hold back the furthest advanced units of 3rd panzer to secure this pocket at that space and also at the SE edge where the Russians might be able to restore contact with a cav division. "

True, true.

Especially looking at the "Der yellow stinger" dudes way too far south and away from everybody just hanging there.

"AGN: In general, if your forward troops (here, 4th panzer army) are getting worn down, try to pull them back for a turn of rest. You'll be surprised how much their CV will improve."

Every turn is precious during 1941 for the Axis, although the best result for the AGN was AFTER I rested my motorized/panzer guys. Although if you want to see a GOOD player PLAY, you are in a WRONG place [;)].
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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Every turn is precious during 1941 for the Axis, although the best result for the AGN was AFTER I rested my motorized/panzer guys.

That's exactly the problem the real German forces faced. The Soviet steamroller in 1944 can operate by alternating armies turn after turn, giving them time to rest. The Germans just can't do that (not as much, anyway) as they don't have nearly the numbers for it. So you have to compromise a bit at each end; managing that is exactly the art of the blitzkrieg. I don't mean to say I know how to do this perfectly -- I certainly do not -- but I am certain of my diagnosis of the strategic problem.
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RE: Das newbie fuhrer sets out to lose Barbarosa

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Railroad labor and grand strategic overview

yOU need to find a way to deal with the Velikie Luki group and fast.
othwervise the infantry would get stretched thin, trying to cover the nothern flank.
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