Between the Storms

[DOCUP]

I have always wanted subs with planes on the allied side. Did the US think about carrier subs. I know some have 6in guns in the game. I also just saw the Brits did have subs with planes in the teens. Not a bad idea.
Devils advocate
If you do Surcouf for everyone, Japan would of accelerated the I400. I don't want them around.

[wdolson]

The Serian was not available even when the I-400s were commissioned in the real war. Even if the I-400s are available sooner, the sub-borne strike aircraft shouldn't be available.

Bill

[DOCUP]

I guess the US did study air craft subs and cruiser subs. Some of these are beasts.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/albums/s584-ss.htm

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Hey John 3rd,

We have been discussing the Surcouf in your esteemed opponents thread.

I was pointing out to him what a versatile combatant it is with twin 8" guns, a 274 cargo capacity and room for a single float plane.

I did some reading up on it and it seems that the French planned to build three of them and scrapped the plans for the latter two when one of the Naval Treaties forbid more than a single super sub.

So, I was thinking that since this mod is based on assumptions that the outcomes of the treaties differed from the historical perhaps you would consider throwing the AFBs another bone by giving us the other two.

Slightly smaller variant of Surcouf (2200t) was studied in 1936 with one turret with double or even triple 155mm guns for colonial service.

Among other variants studied in the 20s were :
- 5000t sub with 2 triple 305 mm turrets
- 5000t sub with 2 double or triple 240 mm turrets with 4 planes
- 3400t with one 305 mm gun front turret


John, if you choose to add one or 2 Surcouf like, the following names could be chosen : Bouvier, Dupetit-Thouars or Du Chayla.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Hey John 3rd,

We have been discussing the Surcouf in your esteemed opponents thread.

I was pointing out to him what a versatile combatant it is with twin 8" guns, a 274 cargo capacity and room for a single float plane.

I did some reading up on it and it seems that the French planned to build three of them and scrapped the plans for the latter two when one of the Naval Treaties forbid more than a single super sub.

So, I was thinking that since this mod is based on assumptions that the outcomes of the treaties differed from the historical perhaps you would consider throwing the AFBs another bone by giving us the other two.

Three Allied subs carrying float planes would give the Japanese player a taste of what its like to have every shipping lane under aerial surveilance.

[:D][:D]

[ny59giants]

CLAA Omaha upgrades - maybe look at some of the upgrades for hybrids in BTS/RA like this old CL that is now a CLAA. Only an upgrade in 9/42 and no others. Should more closely follow CLAA Atlanta upgrade schedule.

[wdolson]

Is she the same class as the Atlanta? The real Omaha was one of the oldest CLs in the navy.

Bill

[LargeSlowTarget]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

We have been discussing the Surcouf in your esteemed opponents thread.

I was pointing out to him what a versatile combatant it is with twin 8" guns, a 274 cargo capacity and room for a single float plane.

Well, maybe a nice transport or scouting submarine - but combatant? A submarine is too fragile to engage warships in a gun battle - to fight with just two slow-firing 8-inchers against a DD with four to five QF guns or cruisers which host several times the number of guns would be suicide. For hunting merchantmen, 8-inchers surely are overkill, and to ensure hits without wasting too much ammo the sub would have to close into the range of the merchies defensive armament - not too sexy either. For hunting unarmed merchies you do need overgunned monster-subs. In short, Surcouf had no real role to play other than to prove it was technically possible to mount heavy guns and planes on a sub.

Anyway, Happy New Year everybody!

[Cavalry Corp]

John,
Thanks for all the ongoing support on this game!!

Michael

[John 3rd]

Hey Cavalry.

I am going to fix the name issues first. Does anyone have any good names for US DDs? Was thinking about early war people killed that a DD might be named for. Could use some suggestions...

It doesn't have to be the idea above just need some appropriate names. Could use at least two.

Does anyone have a creative appropriate name for a Japanese CV? Something unique but works within their naming conventions.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: General Patton

ORIGINAL: rjopel

Duplicated base in Scen 50 current file.

Oro Bay at 100, 130 in Papua New Guinea is listed as both ID 987 and 994. The map shows two bases located in the hex.

Here it is John. 2 pages back....GP

Need to work on this...

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: JuanG

Edit: Disregard, haven't used the editor in a while and misread.

Re-Edit: Princeton II still present as a CV name.
Also, aircraft #695 G5N3 Liz has a weapons mismatch between loadouts - slots 3-5 are 12.7mm Ho-103, while slots 14-15 are 12.7mm Type 1. This is causing display errors on the aircraft data sheet.
Also, aircraft G8N1 Rita present twice, with identical data but different entry dates (1/45 vs 4/45). Suggest swapping the 4/45 to a (fictional) G8N1a or something.

Checking this as well...

[John 3rd]

Shot a note off to Juan to check on his update of the off-map system.

[DanSez]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Does anyone have a creative appropriate name for a Japanese CV? Something unique but works within their naming conventions.

(from Google Translate - might want to double check this)
Angry Dragon
Okorryū
怒っ竜

Retaliation (vengeful) Dragon
Hōfuku ryū
報復竜

Battle Dragon
Sentoryū
戦闘竜

Really appreciate your (and your team's) work
thanks so much
[&o]

[John 3rd]

Thanks Dan. I will use a few of those. Appreciate the help and sentiment.

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


Well, maybe a nice transport or scouting submarine - but combatant? A submarine is too fragile to engage warships in a gun battle - to fight with just two slow-firing 8-inchers against a DD with four to five QF guns or cruisers which host several times the number of guns would be suicide. For hunting merchantmen, 8-inchers surely are overkill, and to ensure hits without wasting too much ammo the sub would have to close into the range of the merchies defensive armament - not too sexy either. For hunting unarmed merchies you do need overgunned monster-subs. In short, Surcouf had no real role to play other than to prove it was technically possible to mount heavy guns and planes on a sub.

I agree but Surcouf was finally to be use as a tool of deterrence in convoy escort toward colonies. Also, one of the initial requirements was the ability to bombard enemy port but it is not possible in game.


JeSuisCharlie

[John 3rd]

I read up on the American side of this in Warships After Washington and no American planned monster sub was even remotely considered for building. There were plans, however, for several more of the Argonaut/Narwhal class...

[HansBolter]

In fairness on my request for more Surcoufs I did read that it was far from an optimal design.

It was difficult to maintain trim during a dive and took a full 2 minutes to reach periscope depth making it vulnerable to air attack.

In game terms it is an interesting toy to play with though.

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Hey Cavalry.

I am going to fix the name issues first. Does anyone have any good names for US DDs? Was thinking about early war people killed that a DD might be named for. Could use some suggestions...

It doesn't have to be the idea above just need some appropriate names. Could use at least two.

Hey John,
First, did you get the email attachment I sent you? Though you might find the info useful.
Second, The 12 names below are former USN officers from the Revolution thru about the late 1800's. This list has been edited base on names currently used in WITP AE. In perticular, BTS's. I looked in tracker to make sure there were no dups.

Bainbridge (I believe this name is or was the name of one of the first USN nuclear powered cruisers)
Barney (Not the purple dino)[:D]
Barron
John Barry (Though the whole name sounded better in this case)
Decatur
John Paul Jones (The one and only)(unless your a Zeppelin fan, which I am[:)])
McGiffen
Perry (Current name of a class of Frigates and the decommisioned FFG-7)
Preble
Seyburn
Stockton
Truxton

[:)]....GP

[Cavalry Corp]

John

V7.7 looks like the French CL issue ( witdrawl) still exists?
We have both uploaded 7.7 now or should I wait one more turn

Michael