Supply not work in 1.08.01 for Soviets

[Saper2229]

In my game with Pelton all Soviets units have 0-18% supply - why? I have good motor pool and supply Stores. For example you can see this

[Saper2229]

The units in this army have a 0 supply (more in static mode in 3 hex off HQ)

[Saper2229]

My production pool

[Denniss]

Your global supply stock is low with just 64%, this in turn affects supply distribution to units. Sitation will improve somewhat with 1.08.02 but still stays problematic if you have insufficient supply production.
Die you follow the 1.07 "guide" to leave HI for capture while focussing on Armament factory evacuation ?

[Saper2229]

I play in WiTE more than 2year, but after last udates (maybe after 1.06.10 ore 12) I think, that game do more and more unplayble.
Maybe I has mistake, but I see this.

[Saper2229]

If I have 64% global supply stock why I have 0-18% suplly in all units? I have a good Motor pool.

[morvael]

Not much HI left, but 1.08.02 will be your friend re supply. However you can't keep using 1.07 tricks, some won't work, some will hurt you. 1.08 changed some aspects of the game, may seem wrong only if you stick to old tactics.

[Timotheus]

"1.08 changed some aspects of the game".

Sounds spiffy.

So the vets have no idea what was changed and what's going on and here I go into this. Awesome [:D]

Ya know, "1.08 changed some aspects of the game", sounds oughly... how shall I put it... English as second language... help me out 'ere [8D]

[Denniss]

In short: some players used a gamey tactic that worked in 1.07 or earlier versions but now have to pay a price in 1.08

[Saper2229]

I not understand why my units have not supply - supply stores 341011 and needed 338188. I have supply in pool, have good Motor pool but no supply in all units.

[Denniss]

There are some issues in the supply system which ought to be fixed in 1.08.02. One part is insufficient supply production on your side due to leaving HI to capture, other issue is cities not distributing all the supply they have even though connected HQ requires more.

Insufficient supply production leads to a global supply stock <100% which leads to supply distribution problems.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

"1.08 changed some aspects of the game".

Sounds spiffy.

So the vets have no idea what was changed and what's going on and here I go into this. Awesome [:D]

Ya know, "1.08 changed some aspects of the game", sounds oughly... how shall I put it... English as second language... help me out 'ere [8D]

basically in 1.07, Soviet Heavy Industry (which is what produces supply) had a multiplier of 1.3 for 1942. So if you had saved say 200 HI factories, then production would have been 260 (the actual formula is a bit messier but thats the essence). In 1.08, the 1942 multiplier is 1, so your 200 produces 200.

This is one of a number of changes that (rightly in my opinion) hampers the Soviets in 1942 and makes the summer of 1942 historically very scary.

The impact is on the evacuation and rail allocation process in 1941. As HI is relatively costly to move by rail, and it was easy to supply your army, many Soviet players only evacuated some (prefering unit moves, arm factories and specialist factories), under the new rules you need to allocate more rail pts to HI extraction and to fight more aggressively to defend key locations.

All in all, adds a useful degree of realism, but if you followed the standard 1.07 logic in a game now under 1.08 you will have problems. It all eases in 1943 when you gain a lot more lend lease supply, domestic production improves and the new unit TOEs often require less supply (as the Soviets finally started to work out that more of something didn't necessarily equate to efficiency of use).

[Saper2229]

Ok, I have 170 Heavy Industry. How many mans, guns, tanks and aircrafts I can supply to 100% level?

[VigaBrand]

The problem is, that your 170 HI produces only 85.000 tons of supply. (without modifier).
You need 79.000 tons supplies every week.
Means, if you didn't produce anything, than you can supply your forces.
But only your Ara facts used 17.050 supplies (without modifier).
Now you can compute what you used for the vehicles, tanks and plans. That is the reason.
At the start of the game you had 229 HI.
I'm not sure what the new industrie modifier are in 1.08.01, but at the moment it looks like you should evac more HI and less Araments.
This leads to more casualties for the soviets in '41 (more fight), less araments production (because you must evac the HI, too), so your forces should be smaller and you can supplied them.

[morvael]

I admit that any supply shortage you may have affects you double what it should. This will be corrected in 1.08.02.

GC 1942 has 217 HI and on the latest version, that we test now, there is ~12k surplus, provided there is no active combat. Perhaps this will be tweaked once more, but I'd assume about 200 HI must be rescued to be able to support a reasonably sized Red Army.

However, there will be tools that will allow to make more supplies available to units rather than production and fort building. This will help to live through difficult times.

[Saper2229]

The problem is this - you idea for WiTW supply stock in town work in WiTE next - I have full supply stock in all town (Num of Manpower = supply stock, exp - 1=100, 7=700 etc.), but many town near front have Num 0 - supply stock=0. I have tonn of supply in all towns for 1000 and more km out of frontline,but no supply stock in near front and units.

[morvael]

This may happen when there are shortages. Cities are able to send only the extra (not required) resources. They might be exhausted before reaching some cities in case of global shortages. In the new version you will simply reduce supplies used by the production or fortification system and then more would find their way to the front.

[Saper2229]

I play Germany too. I have a big stores in citys (Leipzig - 23248, Chemnitz - 34663, Linz - 45464, Vienna - 26493, Graz - 37291, All Berlin - 88000 and ect.) but in units on rail - 20-30%, vechicle pool 167000 (need 120000).

[randallw]

I think this problem may not have anything to do with the heavy industry multiplier for 1942; I am currently in 1941 with 210 heavy industry ( not that many lost to the Axis ) and units are getting 40% supply.

[morvael]

If you are at 40%, then you don't have to worry. It means you are were resupplied to 100%, and 60% was consumed. I already see that this change made in 1.08.01 is confusing and will be reverted in 1.08.02. Consumed supplies will reduce the need by the same amount, so units will be seen as having 100% of their needs during the turn.