Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
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RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Turn 21
1 APR 1915
British fleet is fighting german's subs for couple of turns. I hope Operating didn't prepared an ambush with his Baltic fleet becouse I didn't think about it... If I will be able next turn I will retreat to safer possitions
Russia... I can't stop so many troops...
In France British assault faild- no losses for Germans. French offensive slowly push forward... to slow. My air units are massacred.
1 APR 1915
British fleet is fighting german's subs for couple of turns. I hope Operating didn't prepared an ambush with his Baltic fleet becouse I didn't think about it... If I will be able next turn I will retreat to safer possitions
Russia... I can't stop so many troops...
In France British assault faild- no losses for Germans. French offensive slowly push forward... to slow. My air units are massacred.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
15 APR 1915 to 13 MAY 1915
Russia
This is situation during three turns. CP has overhellming adventage in number. I can't save her. Same time Ottoman's are attacking the "back door" (sorry I have no pictures).
My army in the northern sector is sorrounded- I don't think I could save it anyway...
Vinnitsia is still fighting.
Russia
This is situation during three turns. CP has overhellming adventage in number. I can't save her. Same time Ottoman's are attacking the "back door" (sorry I have no pictures).
My army in the northern sector is sorrounded- I don't think I could save it anyway...
Vinnitsia is still fighting.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
15 APR 1915 to 13 MAY 1915
French offensive lost its's steam... It looks like I'm going no where. I can only think about Strassburg- I need to change direction.
Calais is holding against british attacks. I'm trying to brake front in twoo directions... but I can see the light in the tunnel. German infantry corps is at low efectivness level and it's wounded- I will try to use it.
Finally a brakethrue! I don't think my cavalry will survive- Operating has his own in reserves to make counterttack... but this direction looks prommising. I will try to push this way.
French offensive lost its's steam... It looks like I'm going no where. I can only think about Strassburg- I need to change direction.
Calais is holding against british attacks. I'm trying to brake front in twoo directions... but I can see the light in the tunnel. German infantry corps is at low efectivness level and it's wounded- I will try to use it.
Finally a brakethrue! I don't think my cavalry will survive- Operating has his own in reserves to make counterttack... but this direction looks prommising. I will try to push this way.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
15 APR to 13 MAY 1915
Egypt
After quiet preparation for offonsive British lounch an attack. Same time Gallipoli event started... Nice
I got some new units- I'll try to use them to land and take some cities- but AH has a lot of subs (they are to powerfull for now- I think their cost of upkeep should be rised to 2 or 3 PP. 4 or 5 subs for AH in Med sea... I don't know what to think about it...)
Same time I will try to land behinde Ottoman's lines and force them to regroup.
Thouse subs aree killing surface fleet everywhere....
Egypt
After quiet preparation for offonsive British lounch an attack. Same time Gallipoli event started... Nice
I got some new units- I'll try to use them to land and take some cities- but AH has a lot of subs (they are to powerfull for now- I think their cost of upkeep should be rised to 2 or 3 PP. 4 or 5 subs for AH in Med sea... I don't know what to think about it...)
Same time I will try to land behinde Ottoman's lines and force them to regroup.
Thouse subs aree killing surface fleet everywhere....
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Hi suprass81, France & Britain have more than enough naval might, to deal with Central Powers in the Med! This is your first play through, the next time you play the scenario, you should be more aware of what is going on, by the way 1.6 Patch should be releasing very soon, and I have included some fixes that address, a few issue you have discovered while testing this beta,loving the AAR.[:)]
Make it so!
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
ORIGINAL: kirk23
Hi suprass81, France & Britain have more than enough naval might, to deal with Central Powers in the Med! This is your first play through, the next time you play the scenario, you should be more aware of what is going on, by the way 1.6 Patch should be releasing very soon, and I have included some fixes that address, a few issue you have discovered while testing this beta,loving the AAR.[:)]
Hi Kirk- you can be right about naval since this is not my best side... Next time I will put more atention to my own subs. Good to hear that 1.60 is comeing out...
About the things I've pointed- I don't think that I am right evry time. Some things can work good but in my oppinion the don't becouse I can't use them yet. This is how I feel about subs. If you fix Russia and Serbia starting army ad Research I think all will be good- even if subs are to cheap to upkeep- becouse both sides can use them so it's fair for me... (but Russians can build a line from subs and block Baltic Sea to stop convoys Ask Operating how to do this )
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
I gave permission to Operating to read and put some comments. Tomorrow I will update AAR with news from couple of turns...
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Hello Commander Suprass!
Thanks for letting me read your AAR! There are some things I learned from it, but for the most part I could see what was going on, "Of course I could not read your mind". I had played CP in SP for several turns when Suprass approached me about joining him a MP match, immediately accepted his challenge. He's a tough and methodical player, much of is not displayed in the AAR, I believe we both were learning this new patch as we went along. We also have another match going, switching sides, currently he is kicking my ass there, again we are in a learning curve with this excellent new patch. To me, it's "Serbia First", a slight boost in Serbia's PP and minor changes to allocation of PP to cities would make a difference there. Perhaps allowing the African French infantry to transport from a closer port to Serbia might be an option (if that was the original intent? For it could go to France also.). Without a doubt! Entente navy has the far more dominate role in the Mediterranean. If Kirk has some ideas in mind to change that, I'd like to hear about it. By choosing AH subs, I have to make sacrifices else where, it's a Commander's decision on how to approach the game. I had "NO" idea the Gallipoli Event was going to happen, total surprise. It just so happened my subs were near enough to combat the landings, strictly a "stroke of luck". On to Russia: Russia is not exactly a "Cake Walk", but once the Russian Front breaks, it opens up a vast space, less constricted than fighting it out in Poland proper (with it's forts). How to keep the front contained by the Russians? Is an issue...... Should be up for discussion, for it could get out of hand in overbalancing. If anything is to be done with Entente techs, AH deserves a fair shake also, "To be fair". The cost of repair in this patch has made a world of difference, I can not argue against it. Even upkeep, seems to be sensible, which is hard to get used to! Although some of the large ticket items seem to be on the "cheap". The cost of both of these items, smothered the game to me (in prior versions), there again all players have to play by the "rules" set (if they change, be up front about it). Capturing Koenigsberg definitely was a major blow, The French Front reflected the cost. I wished Suprass covered the English Channel naval battles, a back and forth battle of wills of naval might. In a way favorable to him, for in the meantime his convoys went unmolested. Folks, it was unlike any AI you might encounter. I was going to do an AAR of my own, but left it up to Suprass, also wished he had done an AAR as him being CP (it's not too late). Like playing chess, you have your early game, your middle game and your end game (always look at least 5 moves ahead). Enough said here, onward to the "Sound of the Guns". Nice job Suprass..
Kaiser Commander, Bob
PS, "cheap", is meant towards repair and upkeep, not unit cost.
Thanks for letting me read your AAR! There are some things I learned from it, but for the most part I could see what was going on, "Of course I could not read your mind". I had played CP in SP for several turns when Suprass approached me about joining him a MP match, immediately accepted his challenge. He's a tough and methodical player, much of is not displayed in the AAR, I believe we both were learning this new patch as we went along. We also have another match going, switching sides, currently he is kicking my ass there, again we are in a learning curve with this excellent new patch. To me, it's "Serbia First", a slight boost in Serbia's PP and minor changes to allocation of PP to cities would make a difference there. Perhaps allowing the African French infantry to transport from a closer port to Serbia might be an option (if that was the original intent? For it could go to France also.). Without a doubt! Entente navy has the far more dominate role in the Mediterranean. If Kirk has some ideas in mind to change that, I'd like to hear about it. By choosing AH subs, I have to make sacrifices else where, it's a Commander's decision on how to approach the game. I had "NO" idea the Gallipoli Event was going to happen, total surprise. It just so happened my subs were near enough to combat the landings, strictly a "stroke of luck". On to Russia: Russia is not exactly a "Cake Walk", but once the Russian Front breaks, it opens up a vast space, less constricted than fighting it out in Poland proper (with it's forts). How to keep the front contained by the Russians? Is an issue...... Should be up for discussion, for it could get out of hand in overbalancing. If anything is to be done with Entente techs, AH deserves a fair shake also, "To be fair". The cost of repair in this patch has made a world of difference, I can not argue against it. Even upkeep, seems to be sensible, which is hard to get used to! Although some of the large ticket items seem to be on the "cheap". The cost of both of these items, smothered the game to me (in prior versions), there again all players have to play by the "rules" set (if they change, be up front about it). Capturing Koenigsberg definitely was a major blow, The French Front reflected the cost. I wished Suprass covered the English Channel naval battles, a back and forth battle of wills of naval might. In a way favorable to him, for in the meantime his convoys went unmolested. Folks, it was unlike any AI you might encounter. I was going to do an AAR of my own, but left it up to Suprass, also wished he had done an AAR as him being CP (it's not too late). Like playing chess, you have your early game, your middle game and your end game (always look at least 5 moves ahead). Enough said here, onward to the "Sound of the Guns". Nice job Suprass..
Kaiser Commander, Bob
PS, "cheap", is meant towards repair and upkeep, not unit cost.
and one flew over the Cuckoos nest
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Hello Herr Bob. We meet in this "no man's land" in a minut of silence without gunfire . For me all aspects of the game works very good (I like new repair system- it works with long time to build units) except- research (to big differences between CP and Entente), Serbia (too easy to kill) and Russia (to easy to kill and not able to make any offensive at the begining). Same time I think that Russia and research problem can be easy fixed just by setting research more ballanced and adding one or two infantry corps for Russia. Serbia is a bit more complicated but I think that it will be fix in official 1.60 patch.
About sea warfare- I didn't put atantion in this sector (as usually in all of "old" games) and I'm punished by you. If there was a sacriface from AH to build so big subs fleet I can accept that- on sea I played really bad and I'm happy that this is punnishing me Now war on the sea is EMPORTANT (for the first time). English Channel battle was "pushing between subs and my drednouughts" (I've got a feeling that only drednoughts can fight against subs but maybe it's how it should be... until new research ofcourse.
I've got question- after you retook Koenigsberg you get back National Morale?
P.S. your skills are higher than last time
THX for your responce in AAR.
About sea warfare- I didn't put atantion in this sector (as usually in all of "old" games) and I'm punished by you. If there was a sacriface from AH to build so big subs fleet I can accept that- on sea I played really bad and I'm happy that this is punnishing me Now war on the sea is EMPORTANT (for the first time). English Channel battle was "pushing between subs and my drednouughts" (I've got a feeling that only drednoughts can fight against subs but maybe it's how it should be... until new research ofcourse.
I've got question- after you retook Koenigsberg you get back National Morale?
P.S. your skills are higher than last time
THX for your responce in AAR.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
It sound as thou you guys are enjoying playing this patch? As for Serbia and Russia, I have made a few minor adjustments, that will help the game play even more when the game goes official hopefully later this week.[;)]
Make it so!
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
To the Polish Fox,
Sorry, did not pay attention to the shift in NM after recapture of Keonigsberg, I was just too overjoyed to just get it back![:)] In your AARs I was trying to get a feel for NM also, especially after Serbia and Belgian surrenders, plus what effect losing Warsaw caused. As the match progressed CP get's those NM boost from cities captured, so it is easy to lose track of when and where NM shifted. It did not seem that other Entente countries suffered much NM loss from surrenders. A lot of the NM stuff happens during or between turns, can't say that it puts up stats for immediate gratification or distain.
What I get concerned about with Serbia and Russia "IS ITALY". Even though it starts off with a small army, it has a decent PP and Oh yeah! 2 fighters and all the Research techs. Within several turns it can be lethal if not checked. If reinforced by others, even more trouble on a open flank.. I have to stay on the heart of Serbia, or else it is going to bounce back with a vengeance. I would not say that AH is rich with PP at all, but enough to manage a crisis, maybe a little better than that. Germany is definitely carrying the bigger load, but as Germany I do find it difficult to fight more than one front, but I noticed when you are CP you do a lot better job than I. (listen folks: "He is so sneaky, I call him The Polish Fox for a reason")
As far as Russian Research goes: A bar graph boost for Wire, (maybe the same for all countries), or give the troops that start the scenario a 1 point to their defense rating. It's not just the Hun vs the Cossack thing, its the Cossacks vs Turk thing, that's the back door nobody is talking about, just what would be fair on that front? It's not just "one" get's a change in balance, it's an International balance. Don't forget that there are countries that have not entered yet, so they would be way behind the others as far as tech development (that may, or may not be absolutely true) .
By the way, I'm sending you a nice big German Chocolate cake for Christmas on the end of a 175 MM howitzer shell, it should be arriving next turn![:D]
Herr Commander, Bob
PS, pm me to let me know when to stop looking here.
Sorry, did not pay attention to the shift in NM after recapture of Keonigsberg, I was just too overjoyed to just get it back![:)] In your AARs I was trying to get a feel for NM also, especially after Serbia and Belgian surrenders, plus what effect losing Warsaw caused. As the match progressed CP get's those NM boost from cities captured, so it is easy to lose track of when and where NM shifted. It did not seem that other Entente countries suffered much NM loss from surrenders. A lot of the NM stuff happens during or between turns, can't say that it puts up stats for immediate gratification or distain.
What I get concerned about with Serbia and Russia "IS ITALY". Even though it starts off with a small army, it has a decent PP and Oh yeah! 2 fighters and all the Research techs. Within several turns it can be lethal if not checked. If reinforced by others, even more trouble on a open flank.. I have to stay on the heart of Serbia, or else it is going to bounce back with a vengeance. I would not say that AH is rich with PP at all, but enough to manage a crisis, maybe a little better than that. Germany is definitely carrying the bigger load, but as Germany I do find it difficult to fight more than one front, but I noticed when you are CP you do a lot better job than I. (listen folks: "He is so sneaky, I call him The Polish Fox for a reason")
As far as Russian Research goes: A bar graph boost for Wire, (maybe the same for all countries), or give the troops that start the scenario a 1 point to their defense rating. It's not just the Hun vs the Cossack thing, its the Cossacks vs Turk thing, that's the back door nobody is talking about, just what would be fair on that front? It's not just "one" get's a change in balance, it's an International balance. Don't forget that there are countries that have not entered yet, so they would be way behind the others as far as tech development (that may, or may not be absolutely true) .
By the way, I'm sending you a nice big German Chocolate cake for Christmas on the end of a 175 MM howitzer shell, it should be arriving next turn![:D]
Herr Commander, Bob
PS, pm me to let me know when to stop looking here.
and one flew over the Cuckoos nest
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
ORIGINAL: kirk23
Hi suprass81, France & Britain have more than enough naval might, to deal with Central Powers in the Med! This is your first play through, the next time you play the scenario, you should be more aware of what is going on, by the way 1.6 Patch should be releasing very soon, and I have included some fixes that address, a few issue you have discovered while testing this beta,loving the AAR.[:)]
Those are Class I AH subs, not like the Class II subs England and Germany get.
and one flew over the Cuckoos nest
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
ORIGINAL: kirk23
Hi Suprass81,
First strategic error you made was saving the Garrison unit that was attacked,It may sound heartless,but this unit is best sacrificed in order to buy you some time,because it will take the Austrian units another couple of attacks against this hapless Garrison unit in order to destroy it,also disbanding your Artillery at the start was a very big boo boo,your Strategy has to be first and foremost to Defend your Capital cities,because without these you loose all hope of repairing or building any new units, in order to defend your Country.[:-]
Another tip,don't attack with any unit you have positioned in Belgrade in the future,because this unit will more than likely sustain damage and be weakened,making it an easier target when it is attacked by Austrian forces.
Big mistake leaving Belgrade undefended? There is a massive morale penalty now in place for loosing Capital cities![&:]
Tip for anyone playing as the Entente : In order to defend Serbia,Russia needs to be aggressive against the Austrian border,which should force Austria to keep a strong defense against Russia.France and Britain should use their naval forces in the Mediterranean to escort French & British troops to assist Serbia.
If you disband the damaged garrison out of country, it used to be that you "lose" the MP and any PP value it has left, the only positive gain would be the savings of 2PP upkeep, if that, would show in the production window next turn.
Kirk, Just checked ownership of the hex of damaged garrison, "it is Serbia's".
and one flew over the Cuckoos nest
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
ORIGINAL: kirk23
It sound as thou you guys are enjoying playing this patch? As for Serbia and Russia, I have made a few minor adjustments, that will help the game play even more when the game goes official hopefully later this week.[;)]
This is nearly perfect (for me). I really like this one. It's the best I've played.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Glad to see the game is moving in the right direction, I too think this patch is the best yet, and as you have already discovered while playing, there are a great many changes for the player to surprised by.[;)]
Make it so!
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
Sir Grzegorz,
Have not been taking SS of our match, to be fair, will take them next turn then wait a couple of turns before posting them in another thread. The Truce will be over when you get your cake.....
Herr Commander, Bob
Have not been taking SS of our match, to be fair, will take them next turn then wait a couple of turns before posting them in another thread. The Truce will be over when you get your cake.....
Herr Commander, Bob
and one flew over the Cuckoos nest
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
27 MAY to 24 JUN
Russia
Russians army near Riga will soon be destryed. Becous of adventage in number Germans do what they want. I cant do nothing. I will try to build line Riga- Pskov and hold as lon as I can. I don't know if this can change anything becouse Russians NM is very low- this is consequences of my ignorance on the Baltic Sea...
Ottomans broke my lines. I can only say "I'll try to do something'...
Vinnytsia army is fighting for survival- I was encircled and than I escaped but for how long?
Russia
Russians army near Riga will soon be destryed. Becous of adventage in number Germans do what they want. I cant do nothing. I will try to build line Riga- Pskov and hold as lon as I can. I don't know if this can change anything becouse Russians NM is very low- this is consequences of my ignorance on the Baltic Sea...
Ottomans broke my lines. I can only say "I'll try to do something'...
Vinnytsia army is fighting for survival- I was encircled and than I escaped but for how long?
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
10 JUN to 24 JUN
France
Sorry but I don't know how but in the heat of fight I hąve lost some pictures... so thee are only two turns.
Nothing special. I'm unable to brake germans lines. Even british attacks on germans corps which is under heavy fire from the begining of my western offensive faild...
France
Sorry but I don't know how but in the heat of fight I hąve lost some pictures... so thee are only two turns.
Nothing special. I'm unable to brake germans lines. Even british attacks on germans corps which is under heavy fire from the begining of my western offensive faild...
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
27 MAY to 24 JUN
Sinai
I can't make any brakethru... maybe I choose a wrong direction? I'll chang it to attack Gaza, This bring aditional profits from lowering PP of Ottoman Empire.
Sinai
I can't make any brakethru... maybe I choose a wrong direction? I'll chang it to attack Gaza, This bring aditional profits from lowering PP of Ottoman Empire.
RE: Suprass vs Operating 1.60 (no Operating please)
10 JUN to 27 JUN
Italy
I forgot to take a pictures from the beginig of this campaign. Sorry but last days I'm really busy nad very angry when I wath what Operating is ooing on Med Sea...
AH lounched hard strike to unprepared italians possitions. They made a hole. After my quick intervention I hope I can close this front useing british and french infantry corps. I've lost one of italian fighter squadron :/
Italy
I forgot to take a pictures from the beginig of this campaign. Sorry but last days I'm really busy nad very angry when I wath what Operating is ooing on Med Sea...
AH lounched hard strike to unprepared italians possitions. They made a hole. After my quick intervention I hope I can close this front useing british and french infantry corps. I've lost one of italian fighter squadron :/