GD1938 Game 11

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GDP as reflected below shows that the Axis is on a timer, if they fail to break the inherent disadvantage in GDP they are going to lose. They are facing enormous disparity in resources, if they feel that they need to wait until 1942 before taking any military action then they are just in for a quick defeat. The ability of Axis and Allied powers to increase their GDP during the second world war were subject to all kinds of factors, and in reality they all seemed to have taken different approaches, which lead me to believe some flex ability should be allowed in GD1938, in GD1938 we are allowed to expand GDP potential beyond the historical parameters. Increasing to 100% production is simply your monthly potential PP output multiplied by say X4, so it would be unfair to have the same cost for the UK or the USA as Italy, that makes sense. Having played from both Axis and Allied sides I would say that it has been left to the player to steer his way to what he considers his ideal wartime economy. I prefer that to having the economy fixed from the start.






1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945

Great Britain 284 287 316 344 353 361 346 331
Dominions 115 - - - - - - -
Colonies 285 - - - - - - -
British Empire 684 287 316 344 353 361 346 331
France 186 199 82/82 130 116 110 93 101
Colonies 49 --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
French Empire 235 199 82/82 130 116 110 93 101
USSR 359 366 417 359 274 305 362 343
USA & Territories[nb 4] 800 869 943 1,094 1,235 1,399 1,499 1,474
Germany 376 411 416 441 444 454 466 322
Occupied --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Greater Germany 376 411 416 441 444 454 466 322
Italy 141 151 147 144 145 137 117 92
Occupied 3 --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Italian Empire 144 151 147 144 145 137 117 92
Japan 169 184 192 196 197 194 189 144
Occupied 63 --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Japanese Empire 232 184 192 196 197 194 189 144
Allied total: 919 486 398 1,927 1,978 2,065 2,207 2,341
Axis total: 376 411 837 911 902 895 758 466
Allied/AxisRatio:[nb 5] 2.51 1.18 0.54 1.75 2.06 2.31 2.86 5.02
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ORIGINAL: ernieschwitz
But I'm also interested to know what method is used to determine the "equal advantage".

Basically the game checks what the total amount of production is, for your own people. That is in the case of Germany, all those locations that will produce German items. Each production point is then divided by 4 (which is the modifier), and then divided by 50, which is the lowest value that the production percentage can be in this game.

Each card, is then alotted an equal cost pr. percentage that the other card is, of the advantage you gain. SO if you go from 80% to 100%, the cost is times 100 divided by 80 . Which equals the 20% advantage you get. If it is from 100 to 125% it is times 125 divided by 100. etc etc.

Nothing fancy, just math.

So is the fixed production from supply only type sites included in the total production ?

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ORIGINAL: ernieschwitz

It´s funny, cause I feel personally that its too easy to gain more production. Of course I may be thinking of all those factories popping up everywhere...

I´ll take a look at the cost and try and see if I can make it more fitting. Either increasing the cost of factories, or reducing the cost of own production.

I'm thinking the same, it's the factories that distort the produciton capacity too much from the scripted production rates.

Also, I still feel that the manpower ratings do not cause historical behavior.

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Looking for the turn. Did someone already send it ?

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It should be up to the Japanese player to send, I have sent the turn.
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This war is wide and long, with no sign of an end. We started the conflict with a preemptive strike at German
naval preparations for invasion and now we hold Hamburg and Kiel. This month we took Copenhagen and Oslo as
we bear down on the Axis-Soviet forces.

The Americans tell us the Japanese are very tough customers. The USA has secured the Philippines however.

We battle in the cockpit again. The RAF has hurt the Germans again, and night bombers struck Berlin. Here is a
view of the cockpit as the month ends.



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As cpdeyoung states the RAF are doing great damage, but they are doing it mostly unopposed in skies thick with German fighters. The Germans at this stage do not need these kind of ridiculous ground losses, and this is not the worst example.

The attached raid was launched on 63.22 the hex next to berlin 64.23. On Berlin we have 7 fighter groups with 66 assorted fighters all with high readiness and huge stockpiles of aviation fuel, as you can see not one of them managed to fly the 50 kilometers to intercept[&:]

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There was fighter vs. fighter combat in the Cockpit, and the RAF and Luftwaffe will fight it out as the targets
are more concentrated.

The Med was the scene of furious battles between the Anglo-Saxon navies and the Italians. The Italian torpedo
bombers will hit next. The dangers of surface ships in the littorals must be clear to all now.

Across the world the Japanese and Americans are also fighting in the skies. Here is an attack summary.


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The Germans are as determined to hold but with fewer resources as the allies relentlessly crush them from the air and the ground, only now a tank the PanzerIVg is rolling of the assembly lines that can more than match the British Churchill, now to little to late. As those assembly lines are now at the mercy of the tender ministries of Bomber Command.

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The Italians are in good condition but they lack the quality to deal with the storm coming. The Torpedo Bombers could not intervene as they were returning from a less than successful port raid in the west Mediterranean

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In the European Cockpit Great Britain and France pushed forward taking a chemical factory.

In the south of France some Italian ships were sunk in port.

Most of Scandinavia is taken.

Battles continue to be waged on the Turkish front.

The city of Osaka will not be a serious contributor to the war effort for a long time. Heavy bombers reduced it to 794 points.

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Germany Turn 51

Battles rage around Berlin and the Northern plains, a breakthrough achieved but a certainty that allied air power will snuff it out.
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We learned a lesson this month : Take the PzIVg very seriously. Those panzers will be unhappy at the RAF attention they will be getting.

Kyoto is reduced to zero. The bombing is devastating and it will be the future for Japan.

The American presence in Europe is being felt. Here is a snap of Geneva.

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German/Italians 1941 December

Fairly bleak Christmas for the Axis one successful offensive action to retake Cologne, the only one attempted so 1 from 1. Mostly patching units lots of units and digging tank ditches.
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The English have Churchill IV's and Cromwell's in numbers and experienced in 1941. They are going head to head with KV's and T34's and coming out clean.

Seriously, those were late war English tanks.
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I borrowed the following from wiki the weight of the Churchill 38 tons. The capture of the Tiger (referred to below),
though the wiki information does not say so refers to more than one Churchill firing and the shot seems not to have destroyed or penetrated the Tiger only to have caused a mechanical failure,
by wedging in the turret traverse gear.
The description of eighty AT shots hitting the Churchill without effect are interesting,
but I am guessing these were 37mm or 54mm not 88mm or 75mm the article doesn't say so but I am willing to bet that was the case.
The majority of the Churchill success in our game is simply down to experience gained.
They have suffered casualties in quite high numbers and as a recent brush with the PZIVg has proved the Churchill's suffered quite badly against a tank with a 75mm gun,
even with low experience like my PZIVg's, if I remember the first T34's had a 76.2mm gun as did the KV1 so perhaps the power of the gun should be reflected in the stats.
The Churchill 1 starts at against armor 400/400 (6 pndr gun) Churchill IV 720/720 (75mm Gun) T34 AT 600/600 the KV1 1000/1000 (this odd as they have the same caliber gun) but its the optics I guess that provide the additional hitting power, better optics more shells on target. So I guess its back to the xp the tanks pick up that make them seem overpowered.

Power of unit seems to have a disparity with the KV1 having 25 power points and the Churchill having 40 and the T34 having 18 power points with sloped armor the T34 had a much higher survivability rate especially against lower caliber AT guns.


As to design and manufacture from what I have read no earlier then 1941 the dates that they appear in combat tend to be late in 1942 onwards. correction the Churchill were with the Dieppe Raid in August 1942
The first prototypes were completed June 1941 that still places the Churchill a long way from production.

"Six Mk III Churchills (with the 6 pounder) saw action in the Second Battle of El Alamein in October 1942. This detachment, called "Kingforce", supported the attack of 7th Motor Brigade. The Churchills were fired on many times by German anti-tank guns, but only one received more than light damage. One tank was said to have been hit up to 80 times.[11][12]

Kingforce was disbanded after El Alamein – it had been formed to test whether the Churchills could operate in Africa. Instead a full Tank Brigade of three regiments[note 3] was sent to Africa, and went into action in February 1943.

In one encounter on 21 April 1943 during the start of the Battle of Longstop Hill a Churchill tank of the 48th Royal Tank Regiment got the better of a German Tiger I heavy tank. A 6 pounder shot from the Churchill lodged between the Tiger's turret and turret ring, jamming the turret and injuring the Tiger crew. The crew abandoned the Tiger, which was subsequently captured by the British. Known as Tiger 131, this Tiger defeated by Churchill tanks was the first captured by the Western Allies and was particularly useful for intelligence. It is now on display at Bovington Tank Museum in the United Kingdom.[13]"
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The RSPCA (Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) invokes the Germans to move these horses from the
line of fire. It is believed the Lipizzaner Stallions are among them.

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In the cockpit the British deal with the difficult force which hurt us last month.

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United States Navy : Office of Information

The attacks on Japan are being pressed through, but the enemy is repairing the damage we caused, and is battling furiously. We hit Tokyo and hurt it, but took losses that stung.

Japan is a very powerful enemy.
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The status of neutrals has responsibilities as well as benefits.

Here we see a Japanese division on Soviet territory. The Soviets are at war with the British, but the Japanese
are not. Non-belligerents should not be on the territory of belligerents.

Do we all agree about this?

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