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PB are not usually considered by the AI to be a worthwhile target for a Nav Attack strike. A larger convoy of them, maybe, but a couple will not trigger the strike.
B-25s on Low Naval strike might go after small stuff.

Don't count on that. I routinely see Betties targeting craft as small as HDMLs.

It's typically the small craft deployable from supply (PTs, MTBs, landing craft and barges) that only get targeted by NAV attacks at 100 ft.
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PB are not usually considered by the AI to be a worthwhile target for a Nav Attack strike. A larger convoy of them, maybe, but a couple will not trigger the strike.
B-25s on Low Naval strike might go after small stuff.

Don't count on that. I routinely see Betties targeting craft as small as HDMLs.

It's typically the small craft deployable from supply (PTs, MTBs, landing craft and barges) that only get targeted by NAV attacks at 100 ft.
In this case dive bombers were mentioned so I was assuming CV operations, which seem to be picky about small targets.
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PB are not usually considered by the AI to be a worthwhile target for a Nav Attack strike. A larger convoy of them, maybe, but a couple will not trigger the strike.
B-25s on Low Naval strike might go after small stuff.

Don't count on that. I routinely see Betties targeting craft as small as HDMLs.

It's typically the small craft deployable from supply (PTs, MTBs, landing craft and barges) that only get targeted by NAV attacks at 100 ft.
In this case dive bombers were mentioned so I was assuming CV operations, which seem to be picky about small targets.

I have noticed that my B-25 at 100ft. do not have problems with attacking small stuff. I was complaining about marines land based squadrons. Next turn I will try send my TBF at 100ft, maybe alt is factor here.
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Java, Sep 2nd. 1943.


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6 Sep 1943


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot" Siege of Soerabaja.


Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang ( 249 ) still burning ...
- Balikpapan ( 110)
- Djambi ( 155 )
- Samarinda ( 10 )
- Soerabaja ( 96 )
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total count: 620

Raid of 5h USAAF at Palembang. Just 23 hits and 7K fires. 10 bombers lost and 21 Tojo plus 4 N1K1-J shot down.

25 Thunderbolt of 40th FS/35th FG meet 20 Georges and 28 Franks over Batavia sky. 5 bolts did not return, Japan bill: 7 Gorges and 10 Franks.

To my surprise top pilots list it no open by P-47 pilots. Top ace 21 kills is Maj. David Green flying P-38G form 70 FS/18th FG. The 2nd is Capt. John Green (family ???) 18 kils flaying P-38G in 76th FS/23 FG. 3rd on list is Cap. Lindsay N. ( KIA ). The first P-47 pilots is Capt. Burke S. form 41st FS/35th FG on 6th position with 15 kills.

The best of the best is 70th FS/18 FG with score 300 kills and 55 planes lost. (15 Pilots KIA and 14 MIA). Avg. Experience 82
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Soerabaja is now sieged.

The first attack at Madioen fail. However it revel that 2 Martins Divisions managed to escape to Soerabaja. So I have encircled there one division plus some support units, no more than 20K troops :(

US navy sailing back to pacific. Java is going to be protected by LBA, British Eastern Fleet and one US Destroyers taskforce plus 20 US subs.


South Pacific HQ:

And usually bombing all over area.

Theatre is waiting for return US navy from India ocean.


Southeast Asia HQ:

80th FG got a new planes, P-38H. 23rd FG will get P-47D2 soon. Time to make some progress here either.
5th BG and 7th BG are now waiting for new B-24J and next they will start bombing China Oil and HI.

I should have ready squadron of Spitfires Vb before end of month too.

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7 Sep 1943


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot" Fall of Soerabaja.


Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang ( 281 ) still burning ...
- Balikpapan ( 110)
- Djambi ( 155 )
- Samarinda ( 10 )
- Java Oil captured ( 225 )
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total count: 781



Soerabaja fall into allied hand after first attack. But still there is a lot of Japanese units in city.

Madioen captured however situation is similar to Soerabaja hex, enemy units are still in hex.

2 More Japanese subs sunk by US Carriers escort.


South Pacific HQ:

Marine dive bombers surprised 4 enemy destroyers north-west of Rabaul and scored 4 hits on 2 warships.


Southeast Asia HQ:

23rd FG 23 x P-40K and VF-71 36 x F4U-1 swept Magwe. Did not go well, there was only 81 N1K1-J from Yokosuka Ku S-2.
I have lost 11 P-40 and 8 F4U for 9 N1K1-J.

And here we have problem.

It seems to me that Martin has resized Yokosuka Kukotai to size !!! 81 !!! with help Kaga. We are playing without HR, but this is little to much even for me :(. No clue what to do. Ask Martin to limit squadrons resize ? or starts resizing all my USN, USMC, RAF squadrons to size 100+ ?
My A/C pools are in very good shape, I can win this "resize challenge". However I am not feel good with game moving in such direction.
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And here we have problem.

It seems to me that Martin has resized Yokosuka Kukotai to size !!! 81 !!! with help Kaga. We are playing without HR, but this is little to much even for me :(.

Talk to Lokasenna he faces the same problem in his game with mind-messing.

Very nice AAR...won't comment otherwise since I read Spidery too. I love your graphics.[:)]


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BTW,
Could you please tell me where to find the map tyle you used?
thanks.

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BTW,
Could you please tell me where to find the map tyle you used?
thanks.

kevin

Here: WitP-AE Topo Map Project (Extended + Stock)
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8th Sep 1943


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot".


Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang ( 281 )
- Balikpapan ( 110)
- Djambi ( 155 )
- Samarinda ( 10 )
- Java Oil captured ( 225 )
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total count: 781


Four Japanese support units in Soerabaja surrender.

22nd Port Unit Wiped Out at Soerabaja by attrition!!!
Yokosuka 1st SNLF Wiped Out at Soerabaja by attrition!!!
57th JNAF AF Unit Wiped Out at Soerabaja by attrition!!!
Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Soerabaja
Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Soerabaja by attrition!!!


22nd BG sunk two SC.


South Pacific HQ:

Marine dive bombers got again 4 enemy destroyers north-west of Rabaul and scored several 500lbs 4 hits on all four destroyers. Two Destroyers seems to be doomed already.



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9 Sep 1943


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot"

Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang ( 249 )
- Balikpapan ( 165)
- Djambi ( 155 )
- Samarinda ( 10 )
- Java Oil captured ( 225 )
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total count: 836 ----------> this number becoming significant amount of his oil centers.

Raid of 5h USAAF at Balipapan. 27 hits, 23 bombers lost due to flak and N1K1-J fighters, 5 N1K1-J shot down.

50 Thunderbolt of 35th FG swept Billiton. Sweep was counter by 33 Gorges, 18 of them were destroyed without losses on allied side.


3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment, 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment, Northeast Area Fleet, Southwest Area Fleet destroyed by allied divisions units.


Resizing issue: Well after check my squadrons list I found out that I can resize to size 106 plane 5 USMC, 11 USN and 5 RAF air groups. This can be very nasty stuff, 100+ RAF squadron filled with Spitfires VIII or Thunderbolts II cannot be missed. Martin confirmed resizing several units to size 81 in his last post. I have asked hit to limit resizing to 45 a/c per unit.
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Resizing issue: Well after check my squadrons list I found out that I can resize to size 106 plane 5 USMC, 11 USN and 5 RAF air groups. This can be very nasty stuff, 100+ RAF squadron filled with Spitfires VIII or Thunderbolts II cannot be missed. Martin confirmed resizing several units to size 81 in his last post. I have asked hit to limit resizing to 45 a/c per unit.
I think an arms war of giant air squadrons is against both of your interests. Giant Allied fighter squadrons with advanced air frames sweeping Japanese bases as a cohesive unit is probably impossible to stop. Likewise covering invasion fleets against giant Japanese squadrons which will overwhelm your CAP is probably just as bad. Best for both of you to nip it in the bud I think.
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Resizing issue: Well after check my squadrons list I found out that I can resize to size 106 plane 5 USMC, 11 USN and 5 RAF air groups. This can be very nasty stuff, 100+ RAF squadron filled with Spitfires VIII or Thunderbolts II cannot be missed. Martin confirmed resizing several units to size 81 in his last post. I have asked hit to limit resizing to 45 a/c per unit.
I think an arms war of giant air squadrons is against both of your interests. Giant Allied fighter squadrons with advanced air frames sweeping Japanese bases as a cohesive unit is probably impossible to stop. Likewise covering invasion fleets against giant Japanese squadrons which will overwhelm your CAP is probably just as bad. Best for both of you to nip it in the bud I think.

I agree in 100%. I would like to avoid gigantic squadrons war. But right naw I can go offensive only with 3 Squadrons of P-47. Daylight bombing is impossible. There is one or two gigantic N1K1-J squadrons waiting in every Japanese base in my range. If you add a lot of 49 planes IJA Sentais armed with Ki-84 it will become really hard to bomb anything. I was massing my planes against GJ but not this way. I was force to withdraw units from theatre to mass them in attacked area. But with all those resized units he can easily have numbers advantage everywhere.
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[font="Courier New"] 10th Sep 1943

Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang 249
- Balikpapan 166
- Djambi 155
- Samarinda 10
- Lanchow 0 fires ...
- Java Oil captured 225
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total count: 837


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot"

50 Thunderbolt of 35th FG swept Billiton, enemy did not raised his CAP.

48th IJA Division in Madioen reduced to 90 AV. It should surrender tomorrow.

South Pacific HQ:

Heavy sub activity north of Rabaul. I can only assume he is using subs to evacuate his troops. 3 USN Squadrons of PV-1 on ASW mission deployed plus 3 single destroyer taskforces to clear area form his subs.

Southeast Asia HQ:

40 B-24 from 7th and 5th BG raided Lanchow defended by 20 Nicks. 3 B-24 lost and 9 Nicks downed. Results are just 7K fires :(

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Resizing issue: Well after check my squadrons list I found out that I can resize to size 106 plane 5 USMC, 11 USN and 5 RAF air groups. This can be very nasty stuff, 100+ RAF squadron filled with Spitfires VIII or Thunderbolts II cannot be missed. Martin confirmed resizing several units to size 81 in his last post. I have asked hit to limit resizing to 45 a/c per unit.
I think an arms war of giant air squadrons is against both of your interests. Giant Allied fighter squadrons with advanced air frames sweeping Japanese bases as a cohesive unit is probably impossible to stop. Likewise covering invasion fleets against giant Japanese squadrons which will overwhelm your CAP is probably just as bad. Best for both of you to nip it in the bud I think.

I agree in 100%. I would like to avoid gigantic squadrons war. But right naw I can go offensive only with 3 Squadrons of P-47. Daylight bombing is impossible. There is one or two gigantic N1K1-J squadrons waiting in every Japanese base in my range. If you add a lot of 49 planes IJA Sentais armed with Ki-84 it will become really hard to bomb anything. I was massing my planes against GJ but not this way. I was force to withdraw units from theatre to mass them in attacked area. But with all those resized units he can easily have numbers advantage everywhere.

How about allowing resizes but only if the resulting squadron is used in action while split into thirds?

IJN get some really big squadrons latewar, and with 20/20 hindsight it's easy for a player to want those squadrons early game.
I'm talking about 200th sentai - set to arrive in oct 1944 which has 97 planes (Ki 84a Frank).
On the other hand, the game allows the IJ player to adjust production numbers...but not create new sentais to accommodate all the planes he produces. So, if IJ players can produce large numbers of planes, why not create extra sentais?
If the large numbers (81 planes) breaks the engine, then house-rule it to only operate in the frontline split into thirds.
Just a suggestion.

later edit: here's the history of the 200th sentai. http://200thsentai.com/history.html
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I think an arms war of giant air squadrons is against both of your interests. Giant Allied fighter squadrons with advanced air frames sweeping Japanese bases as a cohesive unit is probably impossible to stop. Likewise covering invasion fleets against giant Japanese squadrons which will overwhelm your CAP is probably just as bad. Best for both of you to nip it in the bud I think.

I agree in 100%. I would like to avoid gigantic squadrons war. But right naw I can go offensive only with 3 Squadrons of P-47. Daylight bombing is impossible. There is one or two gigantic N1K1-J squadrons waiting in every Japanese base in my range. If you add a lot of 49 planes IJA Sentais armed with Ki-84 it will become really hard to bomb anything. I was massing my planes against GJ but not this way. I was force to withdraw units from theatre to mass them in attacked area. But with all those resized units he can easily have numbers advantage everywhere.

How about allowing resizes but only if the resulting squadron is used in action while split into thirds?

IJN get some really big squadrons latewar, and with 20/20 hindsight it's easy for a player to want those squadrons early game.
I'm talking about 200th sentai - set to arrive in oct 1944 which has 97 planes (Ki 84a Frank).
On the other hand, the game allows the IJ player to adjust production numbers...but not create new sentais to accommodate all the planes he produces. So, if IJ players can produce large numbers of planes, why not create extra sentais?
If the large numbers (81 planes) breaks the engine, then house-rule it to only operate in the frontline split into thirds.
Just a suggestion.

later edit: here's the history of the 200th sentai. http://200thsentai.com/history.html

Yes. But final agreement between me and Martin says: max resize 45, all existing 81 planes units he will be split, on my side no resizing except training and carriers air groups.
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Future plans for operations in Southwest Pacific HQ theatre:

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11th Sep 1943

Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang 249
- Balikpapan 166
- Djambi 155
- Samarinda 56
- Lanchow 0 fires ...
- Java Oil captured 225
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total count: 883


Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot"


Night Raid of 5h USAAF at Samarinda. 21 hits, 3 bombers lost, 9 N1K1-J shot down and 1 J1N1-S.
It is first time he used his night fighters.

75 Thunderbolt of 35th FG swept Batavia, One resisting Ki-84a was shoot down.

Over 200 Ground support sorties against 48th IJA Div. by B-25 from 5th USAAF.


48th IJA Division in Madioen reduced to 45 AV. It still holding, I will let my units to rest 2 day before next attack.

South Pacific HQ:

USS Hobby scored 9 hits on I-25 northwest of Kavieng.
USS Gillespie sunk I-157 northwest of Kavieng.



Southeast Asia HQ:

45 B-24 from 7th and 5th BG raided Lanchow defended by 20 Nicks. no B-24 lost and 9 Nicks downed. Results are just 2K fires :(

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[font="Courier New"]12th Sep 1943

Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang 249
- Balikpapan 166
- Djambi 155
- Samarinda 56
- Lanchow 0 fires ...
- Java Oil captured 225
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total count: 883


I-2 damaged near Denpasar, 3 hits

Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot"


PB Tokotsu Maru sunk by USN desttroyers near Mataram. Next US ships engaged two IJN destroyers, both sides took just light damage.

Several night raids of 5th without result due to bad weather. 7 bombers lost and 17 enemy fighters down.

75 Thunderbolt of 35th FG swept Batavia, no CAP.

Over 200 Ground support sorties against 48th IJA Div. by B-25 from 5th USAAF.


South Pacific HQ:

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[font="Courier New"]13th Sep 1943

Oil centers destroyed:
- Palembang 249
- Balikpapan 166
- Djambi 155
- Samarinda 56
- Lanchow 0 fires ...
- Java Oil captured 225
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total count: 883


PB Toyotu Maru sunk by SS Scamp near Dadjangas with 5 squads on board.
SS RO-37 heavy damaged(6 hits) by SC 983 near Exmouth.

Southwest Pacific HQ: Operation "Bigfoot"


75 Thunderbolt of 35th FG swept Batavia, no CAP. [/font]
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