[UPDATE] New Scenario: Hold the Line

[Gunner98]

Flankerk
I agree that Thule, Goose and Gander are a tad far away but their tankers, AWACS and MPA are useful, as is the extra ramp space if you need it later in the scenario. The 2 Air National Guard squadrons are less useful but add to the story. The F-15 Sqn can be a good tool to distract the Icelandic defences, takes a few tankers but can be fun. The Cdn F-18 squadron is a real stretch but if the Su-27s get a crack at the CRAFT link then they become useful. I'll check on that 2nd Frunze, I think I need to change him out anyway.

The UK base with Tornado's only is a sitting duck, but with the additional jammers and the 1/2 Sqn of F-15, you can keep it going, not easy but if you can outlast the air group on the Varyag they can be a major PITA to the Iceland defences.

batek688: No that must be an oversight on my part. I'll check it out. Thank you to picking it up.


I should have some time to fix this one up in the next few days. Any other comments?

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[tommo8993]

I dont know if its been mentioned yet but the UK is underpowered. I got swarmed by soviet fighters, then when the aircraft readied they were shot down as soon as the took off.

[Gunner98]

Tommo

Yep, I think I'll have to put the F-15s and jammers in earlier

Thanks

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[tommo8993]

Yeah, or add more RAF jets maybe some phantom gr4s

[Gunner98]

Not sure the Phantom's would hold up against the Su-33's - interesting option though. You mention the gr4? Would that be the 15 F-4J's scrounged from the USAF post Falklands? Not familiar with that mark.

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[Gunner98]

New version attached here.

-Changed out the Frunze & Kalinin for a couple of Kirov's (Kept the Udaloy II for story-line reasons)
-Sped up the readiness of the UK based fighters and EW
-Added a Squadron of Phantom FGR-2s
-Changed the PZ's for some MiG-31's, should get the ANG F-15's into more action up north

Very interested in any points you might have.

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[SSN754planker]

Keep this together! More monster scens are needed. I am enjoying this one.

[Gunner98]

Any comments on the new version?  Did those Phantoms help?
 
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[Maromak]

I am probably about 50% through this scenario at the moment. I have about 1 day 14 hours remaining and the second group of F-18s from the US east coast are almost at my CVBG. Current score is around 450/Triumph. I've lost a couple of aircraft and an SSN that got too close! Some of the aircraft were lost to tanker issues which have been reported elsewhere. Occasionally some tanker aircraft won't allow other aircraft to re-fuel.

It's definitely harder than the first time I played it after you just released it. I've found that I haven't been using the RAF Phantoms due to their short legs compared with the Tornados and F-15s which I've been mainly using to shoot down Tu-22s and jamming aircraft. In the same general area, I haven't bothered to go after the Su-33s and they've left me alone. The F-15s have been good but the lack of a compatible tanker is a limiting factor, no doubt by design[;)]

Finally, thanks for setting up the missions. I changed a few things at the start but it was very helpful and would be helpful for new players attempting a large scenario.

[Gunner98]

The F-15s have been good but the lack of a compatible tanker is a limiting factor, no doubt by design

Most certainly, otherwise they can run amuck and get the jammers north of the ones you’re getting [;)]

I may have to adjust the PZ for the Su-33's, wouldn't want the Pomms to miss all the fun [:D]

Have you had any action in the south - with Su-27's trying to break into the CRAFT lanes? Or in the area of the convoy? These may be sideshows deserving their own scenario.

Also has there been any action over Northern Greenland? An ANG F-15A probe into the northern Jammers (with lots of tanker support) might stir up a bit of a Fox hunt.

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[Vici Supreme]

Huge scenario! [:D]
Two things that have to be adjusted imo.

Usually I'm not a fan of pre-set missions but in this case I am thankful that the basic stuff (AAW,ASW,AEW,AAR) has already been done. I think what's important is that the AAW Patrols should all get additional prosecution areas as all of them are simple AAW patrol boxes. From my point of view, setting up a prosection zone for a AAW patrol does increacse its effectiveness by 100%, espacially when you conduct BARCAP (Best example would be the RAF BARCAP mission).

Second, I noticed that the NATO subs start with EMCON default Radar Active. Was that intended? If yes, I think I have to revise my understanding of submarine warfare...

This is a formidable piece of work you did there! Keep going![:)]

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[Vici Supreme]

AAAAAnd I just realised I wasn't playing the most recent release...

[Gunner98]

Roger that - the PZ's should be fixed in the latest release. The Sub EMCON is not intended. I'll need to fix that.

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[Maromak]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

The F-15s have been good but the lack of a compatible tanker is a limiting factor, no doubt by design

Most certainly, otherwise they can run amuck and get the jammers north of the ones you’re getting [;)]

I may have to adjust the PZ for the Su-33's, wouldn't want the Pomms to miss all the fun [:D]

Have you had any action in the south - with Su-27's trying to break into the CRAFT lanes? Or in the area of the convoy? These may be sideshows deserving their own scenario.

Also has there been any action over Northern Greenland? An ANG F-15A probe into the northern Jammers (with lots of tanker support) might stir up a bit of a Fox hunt.

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I've been able to take out the jammers east of Iceland but the others toward Greenland have been too difficult to reach from the UK side. Likewise, I've been trying to take out passing Tu-22s but the jamming and extreme range have made that challenging.

I recall when I first played the scenario, the Su-33s gave me lots of problems on the UK side but as per my original comment, I haven't shot down one so far because they haven't attacked my patrols.

I've seen two waves of aircraft heading for the CRAFT lanes. A wave of Su-24s and a second wave of mainly fighters. I managed to down almost all aircraft in both waves. I have been trying to 'manually' shoot at the Su-24s to conserve A2A missiles.

The ANG F-15s don't have great range so at this point they haven't shot down anything. I recall in the first version I was able to take out jammers west of Iceland with not much difficulty. This time, even with a Sparrow light loadout (2 x AIM-7 and 2 x AIM-9), it has been very difficult. I haven't been able to move a tanker that far north until basically the point I am at right now.

[Gunner98]

I've seen two waves of aircraft heading for the CRAFT lanes.

OK, glad to see that is still working, I just realized that it’s been about a year since originally building this scenario! [:'(] So many things in the game have changed that I'm glad things are still ticking along as planned.

Your tactic is good to get those Su-24's, if a leaker gets to the convoy the VP hit is high. Same for the CRAFT airliners.

I think the Bear hunting up north will be good, I did improve the Ftr cover up there however. Once most of the remaining jammers are knocked down, things get a bit more settled IIRC.


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[Maromak]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

I think the Bear hunting up north will be good, I did improve the Ftr cover up there however.

Those MiG-31s are quite potent!

[Gunner98]

Those MiG-31s are quite potent!

How are you making out against them? Might need to back them off a touch.

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[TheOriginalOverlord]

Playing it now...

couple of notes... I'm seeing events fired for "Soviet A/C destroyed" fired however I'm not shooting anything ...looks like Backfires are getting killed somewhere...


also trying to launch the CH53's from the AOE 3 Seattle and once told to launch they go into a loop "waiting for clear deck" or something similar... it resets every 5 seconds. I couldn't abort launch...finally had to "rearm" them was they only way to break that cycle.


I also have a group of F14s that I launched and manually controlled to some enemy A/C but I cannot fire as it states..."VF-11 Red Rippers #4 is dropping Tu-22M-3 Backfire C #421 from its target list (Reason: The target is outside the unit's patrol/prosecution area).
Funny but I don't have them on a patrol mission...I even "unassigned" them just in case...now they are running away since they won't fire their missiles....grrrr...

[Gunner98]

Jeremy

Thanks for the points, I'll check them out. I suspect that there may be some Sov A/C running out of fuel - there are a few Bison A2A refuelers out there but maybe something has gone wrong. The CH53 bit is strange, I'll check, the DB may have changed since built causing an issue. The message your receiving indicates that the Ripper is still on a mission, he may be on one that came pre-set in the scenario, odd that its happening after you unassigned them though. Am currently on the road but have a copy of the file so will check when I've got a few min.

Tx

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[TheOriginalOverlord]

I fixed it by adding them to a mission..then unassigned them...