SAM Allocation vs Aircraft and Missles

[gbethel]

AI keeps over-allocating missiles against aircraft and missiles. I would like it if we could manually set the allocation value for these types of targets.

[kaburke61]

ORIGINAL: gbethel

AI keeps over-allocating missiles against aircraft and missiles. I would like it if we could manually set the allocation value for these types of targets.

I know this has been brought up before, but I have to +1 this. The fact it always wants 2 missles in the air
for a target wastes a lot of ammo. If it would wait for both missles in the 2 missle salvo to miss instead of just
the first, it would work better. In scenarios like ASW advanced exercise, The ship(s) tends to run out of missles
earlier than it needs to because for instance it launches 2, first one misses, immediately launches a 3rd, then
the second one hits, and the 3rd one is a waste.

[dcpollay]

I think the game should reflect reality here as much as possible. What is real-life doctrine? With vampires inbound, would a task-force commander wait those extra seconds trying to save inventory, or launch the backup shots as insurance?

[mikmykWS]

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.

[kaburke61]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.

That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.

[Tomcat84]

The answer is, as with any tactical situation: "it depends".
Thats why I tell them to hold fire and do things myself, because I am smarter [:D] [8D]

[kaburke61]

ORIGINAL: Tomcat84

The answer is, as with any tactical situation: "it depends".
Thats why I tell them to hold fire and do things myself, because I am smarter [:D] [8D]

OK...but if there are multiple inbound vampires on multiple ships, doesn't that mean you are constantly
having to cycle "hold fire" status constantly across the different ships? I haven't tried to manage
the missiles during a defensive arrangement, but if it is that way...that's a lot of possible micromanaging.

[Tomcat84]

I turn everyone to hold fire and shoot manually

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: kaburke61

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.

That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.

Ok.[:)]

Mike

[kaburke61]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: kaburke61

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

No they wouldn't. You generally shoot within the constraints of the system until the threat is gone.

That's all well and good, unless you have a limited missle supply, and you already know (by the amount of
vampires incoming) that you are going to be close to or short of missles. In most of the cases I have
encountered, both in the salvo are launched nearly at the same time, so the "wait" is very short.

Ok.[:)]

Mike

LOL..OK I get it, that's the mikmyk version of "I'm dismissing you now" (I've seen that one a few times [:)] )
No biggie, it would just have been kinda cool to have a "fire in salvos only" kind of switch that would be useful
in some situations.

[mikmykWS]

No wasn't dismissing you at all.

Mike

[DeSade]

ORIGINAL: kaburke61
No biggie, it would just have been kinda cool to have a "fire in salvos only" kind of switch that would be useful
in some situations.

This would be some kind of compromise - to evaluate whole salvo (2 missiles) before shooting another one. Anyway, its nice idea, not top priority issue imho

[mikmykWS]

We have some salvo logic to incorporate down the line but its a little different line of thought than how many missiles should be fired if under attack.

In most cases the air warfare people aren't thinking, "Well I'll need some for tomorrow or the next day so maybe I just fire 2". In reality they're are going to shoot until the threat is gone. There are a few counterpoint cases in that logic (aka it is not perfect)but for now I think there are far less than doing otherwise until we get some other things implemented. We are currently working on something that may give players a lot more control in many areas regardless.

Thanks!

Mike

[kaburke61]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

"Well I'll need some for tomorrow or the next day so maybe I just fire 2".

Thanks!

Mike

Please, that is NOT what I was alluding to. Play ASW advanced exercise. The Russian sub with missiles lobs them
all at you in a steady stream. Now watch your escort lob 2 missiles, first misses, then launches 3rd, then
2nd hits, then 3rd goes blind. Now after rinse and repeat of this a few times, watch your escort run out of
missiles to defend......





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[mikmykWS]

Ok. Will give it fair time and consideration.

Thanks

Mike

[ComDev]

I guess what you 're asking for is 'Commander's Guidance' functionality. This is very high on the list of things we would like to add, but for now you'll have to allocate weapons manually if you want to fire qty's different than the default. Sorry [8D]