NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - Between the Storms
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Had not had the time to read through your AAR. You have done very well in China, your R&D looks good, and you got off the hook easy with CarDiv 3. You have avoided some of the mistakes I have made in my own game of BtS (which trails yours a bit... working on the Dec 24 '41 turn).
On the other hand, the SRA will take some effort, although it is also an opportunity to sink a good number of Allied combat ships. I will be waiting for your posts with anticipation.
Tenno heika banzai!!!
On the other hand, the SRA will take some effort, although it is also an opportunity to sink a good number of Allied combat ships. I will be waiting for your posts with anticipation.
Tenno heika banzai!!!
Tenno Heika Banzai!
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Thanks, Kitakami. I think it is easy to assume that BTS is a Japanese fanboy's dream with the new ships, planes and carriers. There is no doubt the IJN is more capable in the mod. However, it is easy to forget that the Allies get a much bigger boost than they do in Reluctant Admiral, with some nasty new ships and CVLs. Therefore, they can make a go of defending the DEI if they so choose, and it appears Michael has definitely so chosen.
It's up to me now to quickly seize Rabaul and the Solomons as KB sails by, then attend to business in the DEI quickly. Hopefully that business will include a few successful naval engagements. Of course, it's entirely possible Michael will see the full KB (6 CV plus 6 CVL) and head for the hills. The approach will be important!
It's up to me now to quickly seize Rabaul and the Solomons as KB sails by, then attend to business in the DEI quickly. Hopefully that business will include a few successful naval engagements. Of course, it's entirely possible Michael will see the full KB (6 CV plus 6 CVL) and head for the hills. The approach will be important!
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Of course, it's entirely possible Michael will see the full KB (6 CV plus 6 CVL) and head for the hills. The approach will be important!
Let him run...don't worry...you will get your chance off Los Angeles! Banzai![:D]
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
January 8, 1942
SE Fleet
We pull KB 1 and KB 2 into range of Rabaul with high CAP hoping to draw the Vindicators, but they don’t show.
Wewak falls.
16th Army
Lautern falls to a paratroop assault. We will consolidate and seize Dili, which is empty per recon.
This is strictly an opportunistic move but it gives us an idea for how to seize Kendari despite the enemy CV threat.
Speaking of the Allied Death Star, after it was pinged by naval search at Soerabaja the carriers have withdrawn. Cribtop Intel is pretty sure they haven’t gone far, however.
25th Army
Port Swettenham is occupied as we march on to Singapore.
We have finally found a safe altitude from which to bomb Singapore’s airfield to retard fort construction. Amazingly, that altitude is 24,000 feet! Quite a noticeable difference in flak in DBB, eh?
15th Army
We SA stragglers near Pegu and force them to retreat again with 8:1 odds, casualties 137(8) vs nil. The RTA unit responsible for this attack will probably follow up down the coastal road to take a few bases still in Allied hands.
China
BA at 86, 43 (near Loyang) finds four previously defeated LCUs with a total AS of 17. DA tomorrow.
DA 83, 45 reverts to a 1:2, but casualties are 500(64) vs 1095(21). We are slowly grinding them down, and this is before the intervention of 2E bombers, heavy artillery, and our main infantry body, all of which will arrive soon. We can’t use our full strength at once due to stacking limits, but overall Cribtop HQ is pleased here.
SE Fleet
We pull KB 1 and KB 2 into range of Rabaul with high CAP hoping to draw the Vindicators, but they don’t show.
Wewak falls.
16th Army
Lautern falls to a paratroop assault. We will consolidate and seize Dili, which is empty per recon.
This is strictly an opportunistic move but it gives us an idea for how to seize Kendari despite the enemy CV threat.
Speaking of the Allied Death Star, after it was pinged by naval search at Soerabaja the carriers have withdrawn. Cribtop Intel is pretty sure they haven’t gone far, however.
25th Army
Port Swettenham is occupied as we march on to Singapore.
We have finally found a safe altitude from which to bomb Singapore’s airfield to retard fort construction. Amazingly, that altitude is 24,000 feet! Quite a noticeable difference in flak in DBB, eh?
15th Army
We SA stragglers near Pegu and force them to retreat again with 8:1 odds, casualties 137(8) vs nil. The RTA unit responsible for this attack will probably follow up down the coastal road to take a few bases still in Allied hands.
China
BA at 86, 43 (near Loyang) finds four previously defeated LCUs with a total AS of 17. DA tomorrow.
DA 83, 45 reverts to a 1:2, but casualties are 500(64) vs 1095(21). We are slowly grinding them down, and this is before the intervention of 2E bombers, heavy artillery, and our main infantry body, all of which will arrive soon. We can’t use our full strength at once due to stacking limits, but overall Cribtop HQ is pleased here.
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Keep em coming Cribtop. (the udates that is) Love to read your AARs.
Fighting for the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Thanks, Temagic!
January 9, 1942
Subs
I-6 misses an APD escorting what looks like a juicy convoy near San Francisco. Damn escort targeting routines.
SE Fleet
We order KB-3 to join with KB-1 and KB-2 tomorrow east of Rabaul. The invasion fleets for Rabaul, Manus and Shortlands are all closing on their targets. Once Rabaul hosts Nettys we have a plan to allow conquest of the rest of New Guinea and the Solomons under LBA cover. This will allow a unified KB (soon to include KB-4’s CVLs) to head for the DEI.
14th Army
Just waiting on an armored unit to clean up Subic Bay before marching on Bataan. Daily bombings of Manila are in progress to prevent forts.
16th Army
Djailolo occupied.
We add another IJAAF company to Ternate to help maintain nav search there.
Allied Carriers appear to be back at Soerabaja. Will they linger under naval search or pull back again?
15th Army
The march from Pegu to Rangoon begins. The base is only held by one LCU so this shouldn’t be a long campaign.
China
BA 83, 45 while we regain supply and await more troops. This shows that the enemy has now withdrawn two of the five LCUs formerly present. We should be able to oust the remainder in another 2 – 3 attacks.
DA of stragglers near Loyang forces 3 LCUs to retreat with 20:1 odds, casualties 1186(84) vs 32(0). One enemy unit stays in the hex to suffer again tomorrow.
Cribtop HQ is preparing to respond in case Michael attacks out of the hills near Ichang and Nanyang to try to pinch the base of our salient toward Ankang. We are actually hoping he exposes his troops in this manner.
January 9, 1942
Subs
I-6 misses an APD escorting what looks like a juicy convoy near San Francisco. Damn escort targeting routines.
SE Fleet
We order KB-3 to join with KB-1 and KB-2 tomorrow east of Rabaul. The invasion fleets for Rabaul, Manus and Shortlands are all closing on their targets. Once Rabaul hosts Nettys we have a plan to allow conquest of the rest of New Guinea and the Solomons under LBA cover. This will allow a unified KB (soon to include KB-4’s CVLs) to head for the DEI.
14th Army
Just waiting on an armored unit to clean up Subic Bay before marching on Bataan. Daily bombings of Manila are in progress to prevent forts.
16th Army
Djailolo occupied.
We add another IJAAF company to Ternate to help maintain nav search there.
Allied Carriers appear to be back at Soerabaja. Will they linger under naval search or pull back again?
15th Army
The march from Pegu to Rangoon begins. The base is only held by one LCU so this shouldn’t be a long campaign.
China
BA 83, 45 while we regain supply and await more troops. This shows that the enemy has now withdrawn two of the five LCUs formerly present. We should be able to oust the remainder in another 2 – 3 attacks.
DA of stragglers near Loyang forces 3 LCUs to retreat with 20:1 odds, casualties 1186(84) vs 32(0). One enemy unit stays in the hex to suffer again tomorrow.
Cribtop HQ is preparing to respond in case Michael attacks out of the hills near Ichang and Nanyang to try to pinch the base of our salient toward Ankang. We are actually hoping he exposes his troops in this manner.
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
We have finally found a safe altitude from which to bomb Singapore’s airfield to retard fort construction. Amazingly, that altitude is 24,000 feet! Quite a noticeable difference in flak in DBB, eh?
First of all, I struggle with this 'we' thing and you're making me feel better about using it. It feels appropriate and somehow generous to say 'we' when referring to the forces I command in this game, and I balk at using only 'I' as a commander. Maybe it's that we really don't have ultimate control, and the the leaders, captains and other people we put into our forces feel like they're with us somehow, part of this story. Anyway, I like that you say 'we.'
DBB flak is really powerful. As the Japanese you'll have a lot of losses to flak and ops due to the flak. Even on the Allied side I feel it. At 24k you can't be doing much damage though. It's probably repaired and they still can build a bit. Just get there as soon as you can, and bring a hammer.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Yeah the we thing is a bit of a board affectation, but I've always felt a kinship with my virtual troopers and, in particular, with the characters I feature in the first person accounts. Further, since I say Cribtop HQ and Cribtop Intel, there is clearly some sort of internal structure going on. Finally, I'm quite mad.
As for damage, it isn't enough to close the airfield, but it is keeping it just damaged per recon flights, which is enough for me. As we (there I go, eh) get closer to Singers we'll fly lower and accept losses to up the damage factor. One thing, flak isn't like this everywhere, but where a player concentrates the guns, it can get ugly. This is how it should be.
As for damage, it isn't enough to close the airfield, but it is keeping it just damaged per recon flights, which is enough for me. As we (there I go, eh) get closer to Singers we'll fly lower and accept losses to up the damage factor. One thing, flak isn't like this everywhere, but where a player concentrates the guns, it can get ugly. This is how it should be.
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
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First of all, I struggle with this 'we' thing and you're making me feel better about using it. It feels appropriate and somehow generous to say 'we' when referring to the forces I command in this game, and I balk at using only 'I' as a commander. Maybe it's that we really don't have ultimate control, and the the leaders, captains and other people we put into our forces feel like they're with us somehow, part of this story. Anyway, I like that you say 'we.'
The extent of nosism on the fourm is quite interesting.
For myself, it's the "editorial we". For Cribtop, I get the impression that it's the "royal we"...
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
I'm not saying I once got crap from my tabletop buddies when I played Germany in a game about 19th/early 20th Century Imperialism and thoughtlessly entered "Dwain" in the space labeled "Country" or anything. Easy mistake, I said.
PS - I won the game!
PPS - Is there any such thing as a humble Texan?
PPPS - So far, Michael is doing well and increasing my sense of humility despite my intentional plan to play dumb. My concern is that I can't figure out a way to approach the DEI without being spotted, meaning KB will swing in there and restore order but won't bag much. I've considered Torres Strait, Ceram Sea, Celebes Sea and even South China Sea approaches but don't see a way to get through undetected.
PS - I won the game!
PPS - Is there any such thing as a humble Texan?
PPPS - So far, Michael is doing well and increasing my sense of humility despite my intentional plan to play dumb. My concern is that I can't figure out a way to approach the DEI without being spotted, meaning KB will swing in there and restore order but won't bag much. I've considered Torres Strait, Ceram Sea, Celebes Sea and even South China Sea approaches but don't see a way to get through undetected.
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Cribtop, do you really need to go in undetected? I know you will take some losses using the brute-force approach, but at this point I think you need to do just that. Seize the initiative! Concentrate forces in a way your opponent will back down (if he does, you conserve your own forces). Land several divisions in Java and/or Sumatra at the same time. Do not use a rapier... use a baseball bat.
Remember the Soviet saying during WWII: Quantity has a quality all of its own. Use your quantitative advantage now, before it is diminished. Otherwise, you will not take all you need to take, and that is the path to oblivion, especially in this scenario... one word of caution: how many days of Resources reserves do you have left in the Home Islands? That should help dictate the tempo of operations.
Banzai!!!
Remember the Soviet saying during WWII: Quantity has a quality all of its own. Use your quantitative advantage now, before it is diminished. Otherwise, you will not take all you need to take, and that is the path to oblivion, especially in this scenario... one word of caution: how many days of Resources reserves do you have left in the Home Islands? That should help dictate the tempo of operations.
Banzai!!!
Tenno Heika Banzai!
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
I hesitate to offer constructive criticism based on an AAR because an AAR cannot show even a little bit of the total picture. That said... I agree with Kitakami, early Japan has a baseball bat and it needs to be used as a bat. Saving it for later means you will still have a bat, but then you find the allies have a much larger bat and several of them. May as well kick the crap out of whatever you want to while you can.
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Totally agree with the above Posts. You moved TOO slow and have allowed the Allies to concentrate. There is REAL DANGER here in Between the Storms. The Allies get way too many new flashy toys to add to their normal OOB.
Bring together everything and drive him. Reinforce your forward airfields, bring in plenty of mavis/Emily add in a good amount of Zeros and Netties then CRUSH HIM!
My .02...
Bring together everything and drive him. Reinforce your forward airfields, bring in plenty of mavis/Emily add in a good amount of Zeros and Netties then CRUSH HIM!
My .02...
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
The only concern about going in undetected is that he is likely to run if he sees the whole KB coming.
Also, I agree that in conventional terms I moved too slowly, but that was by design as I want to fight him rather than take territory or go for auto victory. I will confess that given Michael's historically conservative use of carriers I didn't expect him to concentrate a CV Death Star in the DEI, so kudos to him for doing that, but I'm not particularly concerned about him stopping me from obtaining my desired perimeter. My only worry is that I certainly planned to take Palembang by now.
Also, I agree that in conventional terms I moved too slowly, but that was by design as I want to fight him rather than take territory or go for auto victory. I will confess that given Michael's historically conservative use of carriers I didn't expect him to concentrate a CV Death Star in the DEI, so kudos to him for doing that, but I'm not particularly concerned about him stopping me from obtaining my desired perimeter. My only worry is that I certainly planned to take Palembang by now.
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
PS - I will say this: If I had it to do over again I would have put the whole KB against Manila, ignored Pearl, and then curb stomped the DEI. The upside of even a better than average PH strike (mine was arguably average with lower than expected BB sinkings but higher than expected damage to cruisers) is not enough in BTS to leave the capture of the DEI to KB-3 and KB-4 as they are obviously not enough to face the enemy carriers by themselves. Had I started in DEI I could have moved west to east to capture the perimeter. By starting at Pearl I am now trying to hastily and thus ineffectively move from east to west.
However, I will reiterate that I never planned on a big invasion of Oz or India. I want to get to the mid and late game because I've never done that and to see whether the increased juice in BTS (for example, can't wait for the carrier based Georges!) can forestall Japan's defeat enough to run out the clock.
However, I will reiterate that I never planned on a big invasion of Oz or India. I want to get to the mid and late game because I've never done that and to see whether the increased juice in BTS (for example, can't wait for the carrier based Georges!) can forestall Japan's defeat enough to run out the clock.
RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Not a problem Cribtop.
I think you are basically building the case that this Mod is much more balanced with all the extra 'toys' the Allies get. One can still move forward, as the Japanese, but one has to be VERY CAREFUL due to the additional BCs, CAV/CLVs, and extra CVL the Allies gain early. It is not a steamroller--guarantee with Between the Storms.
I think you are basically building the case that this Mod is much more balanced with all the extra 'toys' the Allies get. One can still move forward, as the Japanese, but one has to be VERY CAREFUL due to the additional BCs, CAV/CLVs, and extra CVL the Allies gain early. It is not a steamroller--guarantee with Between the Storms.
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
I you can't be a good example you will have to serve as a terrible warning, eh? [:D]
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
You are the people in charge (to continue your "we" reference) [:)] Looking forward to seeing how it unfolds
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
Its goods to see a game where players havent "played it to death" and show an incomplete knowledge of the other side.
About getting KB to the DEI, maybe split them a little bit and plan to merge closer to the target. (PS I dont know how strong the Allies are, might be dangerous)
Otherwise, go in strong but block the expected escape routes.
About getting KB to the DEI, maybe split them a little bit and plan to merge closer to the target. (PS I dont know how strong the Allies are, might be dangerous)
Otherwise, go in strong but block the expected escape routes.
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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Reluctant Admiral
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Its goods to see a game where players havent "played it to death" and show an incomplete knowledge of the other side.
+1 Isn't that the truth.
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