Waffen SS compared to US Marines

[bigred]

Would it be fair to say that US Marines and the Waffen SS both had equal espre de corp and similar values?

[mind_messing]

Oh, wow.

This question isn't a red rag to this forum, it's a factory that only makes red textiles...

[bartrat]

Big Red,
I hope you just had a bout of temporary insanity with that question and that you will change the question.

PS: My father was a US Marine Corps officer.

[wdolson]

I don't know what paying fees for opining (a fare) has to do with this, but yes this could be a red flag topic.

Bill

[bigred]

For clarify my question, I am only referring to the Waffen SS field army which I understand to be separate department from the garrison thugs.

[el cid again]

In the German language (which I speak)
the formal translation into German for "US Marines"

literally translates

"the American SS"

According to a US Marine, who loved to study history
and did so at New York University and the New York Public
Library Archives,

this was because, in the German View, both the US Marines
and the Waffen SS were "storm troops" (assault troops).

The Marine's name was Raymond Jean Leimkuhler,
and he was the last of a long line of German professional
soldiers. [Last because no others survived WWII]

[bartrat]

Big Red.
I hoped you would not go down this road. But you did.
It is insulting to the US Marines to compare them to the Waffen SS.
I am contacting the moderator about this thread.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

The Waffen SS was a political organization (the armed wing of the Nazi party). which is of course very different to the ideals or values of the US Marines (US military branch responsible for providing power projection from the sea).

A closer equivalent would be the Iranian Revolutionary Guards

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: bigred

Would it be fare to say that US Marines and the Waffen SS both had equal espre de corp and similar values?

I will handle this. While it might be fare, presuming you paid the fare, it certainly wouldn't be fair. Now I believe (judging from the clues presented) that you were referring to espresso de corps. The Marines would have better coffee whatever you called it. We coffee addicts have a certain joie de vivre that most Frenchies lack even considering their usual amount of esprit de corps. Now, the Waffen SS couldn't even spell auf Deutsch, so I doubt any comparison would be appropriate.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: bigred

For clarify my question, I am only referring to the Waffen SS field army which I understand to be separate department from the garrison thugs.

warspite1

We all know that under the pressures of war, all sides had units that stepped over the mark from time to time, and I am sure the US Marines were no different. But to compare the USM to the Waffen SS is just ridiculous. Look at the very long list of atrocities carried out by Waffen SS units - i am not sure about Poland but you can read of two infamous incidents in France 1940 against British units just for starters - and you will understand that is not a very clever question.

[wdolson]

As you all are aware, I've had a complaint about this thread. I believe the complaint stems from the part of the original question comparing the "values" of the Marines and the SS.

Bill

[geofflambert]

nailed it

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: bartrat

Big Red.
I hoped you would not go down this road. But you did.
It is insulting to the US Marines to compare them to the Waffen SS.
I am contacting the moderator about this thread.

I was watching with interest a story on the history channel. It told of a jew who served in the Waffen SS because the other services would not take him. I thought this interesting. So in a way, it seems the Waffen SS was more liberal than the Marines on the issue of who served in their units(during ww2 the marines would not use black troops). Probably a manpower shortage.

On a direct comparison, I do see alot of similarities. Extreme nationalism, elitist military force, expresso de corp...[:D]

[geofflambert]

The USMC were just soldiers. Very good ones, but... I'd rather not characterize the Waffen SS. It speaks for itself.

[geofflambert]

bigred, I can't describe what you're doing as [:D] The Marines are the US Guards, the elite, the last line of defense and often the first line of offense. They don't have ideological views and don't decide where they are deployed. Just soldiers. Good ones. Flake off dude.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

As you all are aware, I've had a complaint about this thread. I believe the complaint stems from the part of the original question comparing the "values" of the Marines and the SS.

Bill

I suspect the complaint is ill founded. Sensitive subjects that need the light of day.

[bigred]

my[:D] refers to my mispelling.

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: wdolson

As you all are aware, I've had a complaint about this thread. I believe the complaint stems from the part of the original question comparing the "values" of the Marines and the SS.

Bill

I suspect the complaint is ill founded. Sensitive subjects that need the light of day.

This might somehow be sensitive to you, but I think not to anyone else. Drop it.

[bigred]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: wdolson

As you all are aware, I've had a complaint about this thread. I believe the complaint stems from the part of the original question comparing the "values" of the Marines and the SS.

Bill

I suspect the complaint is ill founded. Sensitive subjects that need the light of day.

This might somehow be sensitive to you, but I think not to anyone else. Drop it.

no, i will not be bullied by marines just because they are exempt from Posse Comitatus.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: bartrat

Big Red.
I hoped you would not go down this road. But you did.
It is insulting to the US Marines to compare them to the Waffen SS.
I am contacting the moderator about this thread.

I was watching with interest a story on the history channel. It told of a jew who served in the Waffen SS because the other services would not take him. I thought this interesting. So in a way, it seems the Waffen SS was more liberal than the Marines on the issue of who served in their units(during ww2 the marines would not use black troops). Probably a manpower shortage.

On a direct comparison, I do see alot of similarities. Extreme nationalism, elitist military force, expresso de corp...[:D]

warspite1

Liberal? This is getting ever more bizarre. I agree with the Gornian - time to drop it.