Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, Docup(A)-Koniu(J)

[JocMeister]

How many forts are at Rangoon? How many 4Es does he have in Burma? Personally I would pull back. The 1000 AV will be much better used elsewhere and there is really no value for you to hang onto Rangoon any longer. He is already within extended B29 range of Singers. Unless you think you can hold on to Rangoon/Pegu until 11/44 (B29-25 normal range is 31) you might as well pull back now.

Why hold at Pegu or behind it? Only 2x terrain right? Pull back to the Thai border where there are some good 3x terrain. Giving up Moulmein and Pegu won´t matter at this point IMO. He can get enough supply from Ramree so denying him the ports won´t matter. And Moulmein is 36 hexes from PB so just outside B29-1 range.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

How many forts are at Rangoon? How many 4Es does he have in Burma? Personally I would pull back. The 1000 AV will be much better used elsewhere and there is really no value for you to hang onto Rangoon any longer. He is already within extended B29 range of Singers. Unless you think you can hold on to Rangoon/Pegu until 11/44 (B29-25 normal range is 31) you might as well pull back now.

Why hold at Pegu or behind it? Only 2x terrain right? Pull back to the Thai border where there are some good 3x terrain. Giving up Moulmein and Pegu won´t matter at this point IMO. He can get enough supply from Ramree so denying him the ports won´t matter. And Moulmein is 36 hexes from PB so just outside B29-1 range.

Rangoon fort 7
Pegu fort 6
Moulmein fort 6

I will not fight for death in all those Jungle hexes. I only want to buy as much time is i can. From my exp Docup will try to avoid river crossing so he will move longer path trugh jungle and that will take some time. 90miles trugh jungle will take at lest month

Losing Rangoon, Pegu, Moulmein will give Docup one thing. Total air control.
I will end with only Chiang Mai (lvl 5), Tavoy (lvl 5), Bangkok (lvl 9). Docup already have much more big AF in area, but without Rangoon, Pegu, Moulmein i will not be able to fight. Right now i have 4 mutually supporting fields. He can close one or two but not all, after i lose them he will just close rest one by one.

If my intel is correct Docup have not less than 500 bombers in Burma. Don`t know how many of them is 4E. All what Docup was doing from few month is reckon bombing with 50 or less 2E bombers.

[JocMeister]

Well, do YOU need to control the air space? [:)]

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Well, do YOU need to control the air space? [:)]

It is June 1944, so probably i should not, but it will be big change for me.
I am sure i will easy find job for all those fighters I have in area, between Sumatra and Burma i have ~1000 fighters. Some can be easily moved to Ambon area. Some to will stay in Bangkok rest will protect Sumatra oil fields.

Actually not having so many fighters in Burma will work for me. Between 30-45 days from now 20 air groups is scheduled to withdrawal. In return i will get only half of that.
Those Burma groups will close holes in other areas.

[koniu]

I have do summary of intel from last two month about major Allied units in Burma.
I check all ground battles, air bombardments etc.

Lower in table i give You major allied units that probably are in Burma. I split them in 3 groups, 1 is marching toward Rangoon, second toward Pegu third group is figting East of Chiang Mai.
Two Indian Division are probably out of action as they lost most if squads during last battles near Chiang Mai,






In total it is 15+ Inf Divisions and 10+ Tank regiments

[Lowpe]

Tough to get used to the map, but beautiful.[:)]

How certain are you that Chiang Mai area will hold? You know your enemy, but I would be afraid. Easy for me, because that is my constant state.[:D]

I see you haven't built up Uttaradit, east of Raheng? Could he land paratroops there and cut the main supply to Chiang Mai, if only temporarily? Then a push down from Chiang Mai with your troops low on supply? If he gets to Raheng/Uttaradit he is going to force all your troops to the west to Bangkok/Singers.

Paranoid/scared rant off.

[koniu]

Chiang Mai area should hold for some time. 3x terrain all units 3+ dig in. Some tanks, arty and AT units
I have there 2700AV Japanese and almost Thai 1000AV.
It should hold for next 2 months, after that Thais units are gone

His units are little tired. Last attempt of attack not end well for him. Two Indian ID where forced prabably to retreat north because of loses(over 450 combat squads destroyed). Rest of his army take lot if disabled squads.

Uttaradit - good hint. I will send there some units. Forts are in place only lack of LCUs. 100AV should be enough in each base. I have few spare Thai units

[koniu]

Small teaser.

I do probably most stupid thing during this game. It can be best or worst day for Japanese Air Force

Tomorrow over 1000 fighters will sweep all over map. Fighters will go in air in Burma, DEI, Solomons and China.

After them over 600 bombers will go to attack ports and AF escorted by another 500 of more fighters. It will be bloody day.

BANZAI!!!!!

[JocMeister]

Sounds like Sho-2...and we know how that ended! [X(]

I think its a mistake. You need to have patience. There is no need for you to be offensive. Hope I´m wrong though... [:)]

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Sounds like Sho-2...and we know how that ended! [X(]

I think its a mistake. You need to have patience. There is no need for you to be offensive. Hope I´m wrong though... [:)]

I chose my targets wisely - probably[8D].

AF with CAP less than 100 planes. Those places will be sweeped with 150-200 Franks "r" Those places have also bombers ordered.

I also chose few places with higher fighter presence but i believe CAP is small fraction of them. (I almost newer loose search planes there plus Docup have habit to have fighters in place but on rest)Those bases will be sweeped with Frank r but no bombers ordered.

It will be funny to watch. I can afford one action like that. Every game nned to have moment for madness[:D].

[JocMeister]

Oh, you have Frank-r? And 2nd MVR band HR?

If so, sweep away. Only thing that can hurt you are P47s. [X(]

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Oh, you have Frank-r? And 2nd MVR band HR?

If so, sweep away. Only thing that can hurt you are P47s. [X(]

Yes and Yes

I have
19 Squadrons flying Ki-84r Frank. Total it give me 931 active fighters
Pool reserve is 450 planes.

14 Squadrons is flying Ki-44c Tojo
Pool reserve is 1200 planes. (production stooped)

15 Squadrons is flying Tojo, Oscar or Frank "a" but they are training groups.

[JocMeister]

Poor DOCUP. [:(] Only the P47 can reach the highest band. So sweeping with anything but P47s will be suicide for him as you can place your CAP above his sweeps. And P47 are very rare until the "N" version comes online.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Poor DOCUP. [:(] Only the P47 can reach the highest band. So sweeping with anything but P47s will be suicide for him as you can place your CAP above his sweeps. And P47 are very rare until the "N" version comes online.

According to my data Docup currently should have (only good planes)

(USA, USN, British, Australia)

P-47 - 1130
P-51 - 220
P-38 - 620
Spitfire VIII - 350
F4U - 810
F6F - 2100

Note that only P-47 and F6F-3 can be placed on CAP/sweep above ceiling of Frank r.
F6F-5 have max ceiling below Frank r

P-51, P-38, Spitfire can CAP/sweep only at 31k but they have ceiling better from Frank so they can climb when in CAP

Corsair can only CAP/sweep at 31k and have ceiling below Frank. First model that can climb above Frank is D version

[JocMeister]

Ah, forgot about the Hellcat. Though its pretty outdated compared to the Frank.

He can still hurt you on the defensive though. I usually placed the Spit VII down at 15k. Franks dived on them, Spits evaded and then the higher CAP dived on the Franks and chewed them up. But sweeping against "R"s suck! Not even Corsair do well when the fly into higher placed CAP.

Are you sure he has over 1000 P47s? Surely he must have suffered some losses?

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister
Are you sure he has over 1000 P47s? Surely he must have suffered some losses?

F6F comparing to Frank is not good. In Frank i have usually 70+XP and few 60XP pilots. Frank usually will win 75% duels much more when Frank have dive, little less if F6F have dive

P-47 is most dangerous but he climb so slow that usually most of them not managing to climb above Frank but still even if Frank have dive it is very hard to kill P-47. When P-47 have dive. Well, bye, bye Frank
I am believe that Docup flying with his best pilots in P-47. 80XP is minimum probably

So far Docup lose only 240 P-470

[JocMeister]

Yeah, most likely. He probably have a couple of 100 EXP80+ pilots. I know I had something like 600 pilots over 70 EXP just in the pools.

[koniu]

11 June 1944

Day was partial success.

China planes stay on ground.

In Solomons only sweeps fly but they find empty air.[&:]

In DEI sweeps and bombers fly. No CAP but bombers attack ports sinking. 5xLCT, SS Pogy, 2xPT, xAK and AGP

Burma only sweeps and no bombers. But sweeps go very good.
-Allied loses 111 planes: 60 P-40, 29 Hurricane IIc, 10 Spitfires V, 8 F4U, 3 Spitfires VIII, and 1 P-51
-Japan lost 31 Franks (20 a2a) and 11 pilots, day should be much better but accidentally J2M5 group go sweep and was hammered by P-47s, 11 planes and 9 pilot lost.

[koniu]

Thanks for advice about Rangoon JocMeister, but question is still open for other readers.

I still have 2 days before i will have to make final decisions. Maybe little more if my delay plan will work.

[JocMeister]

Thats a very good result indeed! Well done. [:)]