Organization Question.

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Organization Question.

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Currently I am playing a EF Dynamic Campaign using one of the Panzer Regiments created by Jason Petho. According to the Regimental OB, a HQ Company is added as of 11/41. I am currently 26/12/41 and this HQ Company has still not arrived.

To my knowledge, if a Unit is not in the starting Org it will never appear, at least this is the way it was in the olden days. Unless you manually edit the CCD flie but that is a ton of work unless your ORG appears at the end of the file.

Has this changed with all the new coding that has been done? Is there a different way of adding a Unit in that does not involve changing hundred of ID's?

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I'm not sure, but it might depend on a battles outcome as well? Looks like the data is entered correctly.
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I don't think that is the reason. I have won every Medal except the Infamously hard to get Iron Cross. I have also been advancing the Campaign a month at a time to see if that Regimental HQ Company will show up. So far up to July 28, 42 is a no go.

This is is an old bug that has been around since the first version of EF came out. Unless anyone has complained about it I can see it being forgotten.

To my knowledge there are two ways to work around it. Either have a shell Company present at the beginning, if that still works, or you have to have a Regimental Upgrade in place. Before the CCD is generated.

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Which campaign formation did you choose, specifically?

Not that it matter, since the tend to follow the same pattern, just curious.
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XXXIX Panzer Korps, 7 Panzer Division, 25 Panzer Regiment. Started with I. Battalion and excepted command of the Regiment asap.
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Here is the original Divisional OOB listing.

41 06 45 05 D0140381 7 7. Panzer Division
41 06 45 05 P01301 3. Panzer Division HQ
44 02 45 05 C0100386 Begleit Company
41 06 45 05 R0120265 25. Panzer Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 6. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 7. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0121239 78. Artillery Regiment
42 02 42 05 B0116219 7. Motorcycle Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0116242 37. Recon Battalion
41 01 43 10 + B0115212 58. Engineer Battalion
43 11 45 05 B0115214 58. Panzerpionierbataillon a. 43
41 06 45 05 B0113239 42. Panzerjager Battalion (Panzer)
41 02 44 01 + B0118212 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion
44 02 45 05 B0118216 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion

Doing the Regimental Upgrade really isn't a problem. You will notice though that a Divisional Escort Company is added to the OB in Feb of 44. This will either require a Divisional Upgrade or having the Escort Company appearing in the at start OB.

I guess I will start with a shell Company and see if that works. More than likely it will crash the game but why not try? [:D]
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Ok Step 1.

Replace R01 entry

41 06 45 05 R0120265 6 25. Panzer Regiment (7. Panzer)
41 06 45 05 R0120271 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 06 45 05 P01315 25. Panzer Regiment HQ
41 06 45 05 B0110352 I. Panzer Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0110353 II. Panzer Battalion
41 06 42 03 B0110353 III. Panzer Battalion (Disbanded 03/42)
41 11 43 12 + C0100339 HQ Company
44 01 45 05 C0100358 HQ Company

With new entry

41 06 41 10 R0120265 6 25. Panzer Regiment (7. Panzer)
41 06 41 10 R0120271 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 06 41 10 P01315 25. Panzer Regiment HQ
41 06 41 10 B0110352 I. Panzer Battalion
41 06 41 10 B0110353 II. Panzer Battalion
41 06 41 10 B0110353 III. Panzer Battalion (Disbanded 03/42)

Step 2

Add entry

41 11 45 05 R0120271 6 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 11 45 05 P01315 25. Panzer Regiment HQ
41 11 45 05 B0110352 I. Panzer Battalion
41 11 45 05 B0110353 II. Panzer Battalion
41 11 42 03 B0110353 III. Panzer Battalion (Disbanded 03/42)
41 11 43 12 + C0100339 HQ Company
44 01 45 05 C0100358 HQ Company

Step 3

Replace entry

41 06 45 05 D0140381 7 7. Panzer Division
41 06 45 05 P01301 3. Panzer Division HQ
44 02 45 05 C0100386 Begleit Company
41 06 45 05 R0120265 25. Panzer Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 6. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 7. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0121239 78. Artillery Regiment
42 02 42 05 B0116219 7. Motorcycle Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0116242 37. Recon Battalion
41 01 43 10 + B0115212 58. Engineer Battalion
43 11 45 05 B0115214 58. Panzerpionierbataillon a. 43
41 06 45 05 B0113239 42. Panzerjager Battalion (Panzer)
41 02 44 01 + B0118212 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion
44 02 45 05 B0118216 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion

with new entry

41 06 45 05 D0140381 7 7. Panzer Division
41 06 45 05 P01301 7. Panzer Division HQ
44 02 45 05 C0100386 Begleit Company
41 06 41 10 + R0120265 25. Panzer Regiment
41 11 45 05 R0120271 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 6. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0122367 7. Schutzen Regiment
41 06 45 05 R0121239 78. Artillery Regiment
42 02 42 05 B0116219 7. Motorcycle Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0116242 37. Recon Battalion
41 01 43 10 + B0115212 58. Engineer Battalion
43 11 45 05 B0115214 58. Panzerpionierbataillon a. 43
41 06 45 05 B0113239 42. Panzerjager Battalion (Panzer)
41 02 44 01 + B0118212 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion
44 02 45 05 B0118216 314. Anti-Aircraft Battalion

That gets the Panzer Regiment HQ Company into a Dynamic Campaign Game. Only real problem is that the experience earned by the individual platoons is now gone. A benefit I guess is that with the Upgrade your Panzer Regiment goes back to full strength.

A small note, all the custom Panzer Divisional OB's have the Formation HQ Designation of "3" At least for the Division I am using this has been changed to the proper designation.

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Thank you for the heads up, Tidavais!
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No problem at all. I am still just a bit amazed that this game is being supported after all these years. It was back in the 90's my favorite Tactical level game and is again.

Anything I can do to help just let me know. Play testing, what ever. my schedule is free until my body assumes room temp.[:D]
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I am am happy to say that shell ob's still work. I changed the Divisional listing to this,

41 06 44 01 + C0100500 Begleit Company
44 02 45 05 C0100386 Begleit Company

It worked just fine.

C0100500 is a shell Comapny with no sub platoons.
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Ok here is a question. This is the Regimental HQ Company as it appears in the C01 listing.

41 11 43 12 C0100339 7 Stabskompanie einer Panzer-Regiment 41-43 (K.St.N. 1103)[PzIIF]
41 11 42 09 P01002 Light Zug (5PzIIF)
42 10 43 12 P01992 Light Zug (7PzIIF)

Was this meant to be an upgrade?

Otherwise to get the HQ Company into the Ob without the upgrade change the R01 listing from

41 06 45 05 R0120265 6 25. Panzer Regiment (7. Panzer)
41 06 45 05 R0120271 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 06 45 05 P01315 25. Panzer Regiment HQ
41 06 45 05 B0110352 I. Panzer Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0110353 II. Panzer Battalion
41 06 42 03 B0110353 III. Panzer Battalion (Disbanded 03/42)
41 11 43 12 + C0100339 HQ Company
44 01 45 05 C0100358 HQ Company

to

41 06 45 05 R0120265 6 25. Panzer Regiment (7. Panzer)
41 06 45 05 R0120271 25. Panzer Regiment Panzer Regiment
41 06 41 10 + C0100500 HQ Company
41 11 43 12 + C0100339 HQ Company
44 01 45 05 C0100358 HQ Company
41 06 45 05 P01315 25. Panzer Regiment HQ
41 06 45 05 B0110352 I. Panzer Battalion
41 06 45 05 B0110353 II. Panzer Battalion
41 06 42 03 B0110353 III. Panzer Battalion (Disbanded 03/42)

When I left the HQ Company upgrade at the bottom, I got a double sized Battalion for some reason. Three tries in a row. Maybe someone can test this and see if they get the same result?

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