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Hi, the standard sonar sensor of each Italian FREMM units is a hull sonar "UMS 4410CL" (FREMM) and a WASS "SNA-2000-I".
The ASW version (Margottini, Fasan ecc...) beyond this have a VDS "UMS 4249 CAPTAS" and a echo sounder "SeaBeam 3050 multibeam".
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ORIGINAL: greatTop

ORIGINAL: greatTop

Hey guys, just bringing to your attention that the Italian FREMM Carlo Bergamini (F 590) is of the "general purpose" version and not ASW, as it was the first FREMM built I'm a bit suprised to only see the ASW version in the database whilst the first ship of the latter version was built later on.

Still regarding the Italian FREMMs (both versions), they decided in the end to equip them with "Sylver VLS A-50" cells and not "Sylver VLS A-43" making them able to hold both Aster 15&30 and not only the first one as it seems to me it's in the DB for now.

Thanks for you time, keep up the great work !

Cheers

I also noticed that the Italian FREMM "ASW" currently present on the DB has: 1x OTOmelara 76mm
1x OTOmelara 127mm

Those are the armaments of the the "general Purpose" version, the ASW should have 2x OTO Melara 76mm cannons.


Just discovered an other problem but this time with the french FREMM, Italian FREMM being bigger in size they have an hangar capable of hosting 2 helicopters (NH90 or AW101) whilst the french counterparts only have one hangar spot but in the DB if you check the French Aquitaine class you will notice that there are 2 hangar spots.

Hope I don't look like a pain in the *** with the FREMMs, just trying to help pointing out the problems I found testing the ships capability IG.
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PS: You forgot to add the "MBDA Milas" (weapon) to the Italian "ASW" FREMM, which exists in the Database (they use the same lauchers as the OTOmat teseo MK2).

Italian (not french) FREMMs OTOmelara 76mm are all equiped with "Davide" munitions(existing in the DB as an other Cannon)And Vulcano munitions for the 127mm


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AMSAR radar on the newest versions of RAF Typhoon (2016+) has a "Radar, FCR, Air-to-Air & Air-to-Surface, Medium-Range" role, but its listed abilities are "Air Search, Altitude Info, Heading Info, Range Information, Speed Information". It lacks surface or ground search ability and, when tested ingame, it can't detect ground targets.

PARS-3LR missile and EER sonobuoys are in the database, but can't be assigned in scenario editor with "Add weapon record".
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ORIGINAL: ParachuteProne

Could we add these Canadian Halifax class updates ?

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/halifax_modernization.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_class_frigate

Thanks

Looking at our 2012 Version of the Halifax (ID 1898) I think we got it all but please do post if we missed something.

Thanks!

Mike
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All requests logged since my last posting. Thank you all. We'll get to them as soon as we can.

Mike
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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: ParachuteProne

Could we add these Canadian Halifax class updates ?

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/halifax_modernization.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_class_frigate

Thanks

Looking at our 2012 Version of the Halifax (ID 1898) I think we got it all but please do post if we missed something.

Thanks!

Mike

You did. I was editing an older scenario and didnt realise I had to rebuild the scenario database. Got it now.
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Someone from a while back put in a request for the F-20 Tigershark.

I found a loadout chart for it that may be of some use.
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Thanks Coiler. Updated the request.

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In case this could help the team, I just worked on it:

LRASM - Long Range Anti-Ship Missile
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LRASM Techincal datasheet

I'll soon publish an article on LRASM following a visit I had at Lockheed. I am also waiting for the Navy to get back to me on some questions I had.
Maybe I'll have more info then
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Some corrections/edits when you get a chance:

All 4 French Navy Floréal-class frigates had their NAJIR Optronics replaced with SAGEM EOMS-NG:
http://en.dcnsgroup.com/2014/07/11/dcns ... outre-mer/

I would like to report a sensor error with UAE Navy Baynunah: In game it shows Vigy 105. This optronic is quite old and was never fitted on Baynunah. Baynunah also has EOMS NG:
http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/s ... avy_15.JPG
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... view&id=62

Data on EOMS NG
http://www.sagem.com/IMG/pdf/D1422E_EOMS_NG.pdf

mikmyk, do you have a status update regarding the addition of the following classes?
Abu Dhabi
Falaj 2
KCR40
SIGMA 10514 PKR
FMPV Kri Klewang

Thanks and keep up the good work


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Is there any interest in creating some hypothetical V-22 variants? I was specifically thinking of a Sea Control variant (SV-22? sort of a replacement for the S-3 Viking), a COD/Aerial Refueling variant (HV-22? roll-on capability like the Marine C-130s) and maybe an AEW variant (EV-22? which I think has been proposed for the UK). I think these have all been proposed in the real world

SV-22


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Specifications for the SV-22 Osprey (speculative, from http://www.jeffhead.com/modelbuilds/US-sv22.htm)

Flight Crew: Four (pilot, copilot and two flight engineers)
ASW Crew: Four Anti-submraine Warfare specialsts.
Capacity: 20,000 lb (9,070 kg) of internal cargo, sensors, equipment.
Length: 57 ft 4 in (17.5 m)
Rotor diameter: 38 ft 0 in (11.6 m)
Wingspan: 45 ft 10 in (14 m)
Width with rotors: 84 ft 7 in (25.8 m)
Height: 22 ft 1 in/6.73 m; overall with nacelles vertical (17 ft 11 in/5.5 m; at top of tailfins)
Disc area: 2,268 ft² (212 m²)
Wing area: 301.4 ft² (28 m²)
Empty weight: 33,140 lb (15,032 kg)
Loaded weight: 47,500 lb (21,500 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 60,500 lb (27,400 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Rolls-Royce Allison T406/AE 1107C-Liberty turboshafts, 6,150 hp (4,590 kW) each
Maximum speed: 275 knots (509 km/h, 316 mph) at sea level / 305 kn (565 km/h; 351 mph) at 15,000 ft (4,600 m)
Cruise speed: 241 kn (277 mph, 446 km/h) at sea level
Range: 879 nmi (1,011 mi, 1,627 km)
Combat radius: 390 nmi (426 mi, 722 km)
Ferry range: 1,940 nmi (2,230 mi, 3,590 km) with auxiliary internal fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,620 m)
Armament:
ASW: (Up to 4,900 lb (2,220 kg))
- 4 x Mark 50 or Mark 54 Torpedos
- Sonarbouys
Guns:
2 × 7.62 mm (0.308 in) M240 machine gun

MV-22 COD/ARF

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Refueling capability
Boeing is developing a roll-on/roll-off aerial refueling kit, which would give the V-22 the ability to refuel other aircraft. Having an aerial refueling capability that can be based off Wasp-class amphibious assault ships would increase the striking power of Marine F-35Bs, as they would not rely on refueling assets that could only be based on full-sized Nimitz-class aircraft carriers or from land bases. The roll-on/roll-off kit can also be applicable to intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance functions.[103] Boeing has funded a non-functional demonstration on a VMX-22 aircraft. On 29 August 2013, proximity tests were conducted between a MV-22 and an F/A-18 Hornet.[104]

The high-speed version of the hose/drogue refueling system is designed to be deployed at 185 kn (213 mph; 343 km/h) and function at up to 250 kn (460 km/h; 290 mph). Onboard tanks and a roll-on/roll-off bladder can contain up to 12,000 lb (5,400 kg) of fuel. The operator must open the ramp to extend the refueling hose, then raise the ramp back up once it is extended, with the top ramp door left open. The Osprey could refuel rotary-wing aircraft, but it would require a separate drogue used specifically by helicopters and a partially converted nacelle. Bell and Boeing are hoping for funding for additional testing to include contact between the refueler and receiver and eventually the passage of fuel between the two aircraft.(wikipedia)

EV-22

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(Above) As an alternative to the Merlin airframe, Boeing is actively promoting a version of the V-22 Osprey fitted with a palletized version of the Thales Cerberus mission system and the Searchwater airborne radar system under the project designation of TOSS. This evolved Cerebus system could also be fitted to Merlin's equipped with a rear ramp.

http://frn.beedall.com/masc.htm
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ORIGINAL: navyrecognition

Some corrections/edits when you get a chance:
All 4 French Navy Floréal-class frigates had their NAJIR Optronics replaced with SAGEM EOMS-NG:
http://en.dcnsgroup.com/2014/07/11/dcns ... outre-mer/

Thanks item added to list.

I would like to report a sensor error with UAE Navy Baynunah: In game it shows Vigy 105. This optronic is quite old and was never fitted on Baynunah. Baynunah also has EOMS NG:
http://www.navyrecognition.com/images/s ... avy_15.JPG
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... view&id=62

Data on EOMS NG
http://www.sagem.com/IMG/pdf/D1422E_EOMS_NG.pdf

Thanks item added to list.
mikmyk, do you have a status update regarding the addition of the following classes?
Abu Dhabi
Falaj 2
KCR40
SIGMA 10514 PKR
FMPV Kri Klewang

Abu Dhabi and Falaj 3- No progress. Hung up on sensor stats.
KCR-40: Will add soon
Sigma 10514 and Algerian SIGMA: Still waiting on final fits on these
FMPV KRI KLEWANG: will add soon.

Thanks and keep up the good work

Thanks for your help!
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Question on radar and acoustic signatures... As per a couple of prior posts by my I'm not sure if they currently effect detection in the game. I hope this issue is resolved.

Regardless, how were these values in the database determined? I'm sure accurate data for this is hard to come by. Was there some guesswork? In regard to ships many ships have identical sonar signatures which I assume is based mainly on size. Same for many subs, most of the modern subs have the same signatures. Maybe they are all very similar or maybe there's no way to really know differences so they are made the same in the database.

Some US and US allied ships have Prarie Masker which reduces signatures. I have no technical information or data but have read some foreign ships (FREMM comes to mind as an example) tout low acoustic signatures. I see no reason to doubt some of these ships have these features but I don't see this in the database.

In addition, I've read that the LCS with it's water jet propulsion is very loud yet it's acoustic signature in the database is low.

These are just observations that may or may not be able to be answered but I was just curious.

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(FREMM comes to mind as an example)
Having been on board FREMM Normandie, I can confirm the entire propulsion system (Engine, bearings, shafts...) are fitted on anti-vibration devices. An engineer confirmed there was great deal of attention focused on reducing acoustic signature during design and construction phase.
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If its not to much trouble I'd like to request the Israeli Spyder SAM.
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DB entry request for USMC F/A-18D ATARS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_T ... nce_System

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Regarding the V-22 variants, don't forget, you can add sensors to them while they are in flight in the editor, easily making the AEW or an unarmed MSA version.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see those versions with sonobuoys and loadouts too.

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Hi! Could you please provide more aircraft parking space on the LPD 17 San Antonio Class. It can transport 5 MV-22 http://news.usni.org/2014/06/16/u-s-mov ... ships-gulf or 2 CH-53, 2 UH-1Y, 2 AH-1 and 1 MV-22. http://blogs.militarytimes.com/scoopdec ... sprey-too/

Thanks in advance.
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I know me (and someone else) a long while back requested the MiG-23-98.

While I'd previously found the armament (in Russian), I've also just found details on the radar (go to Moskit-23)
Moskit-23 is an updated Moskit radar. The Moskit-23 radar is equipped with a TS-600 signal/data processor. Improved hardware and software allows increase in the search range of the radar for a fighter to 90km, tracking range to 60km. Moskit-23 provides ground mapping modes, and launching of the Kh-31A active radar missiles against naval targets from a distance of up to 100 kilometres. Guided bombs can also be used. Moskit-23 can detect and track hovering helicopters. It is designed for a proposed MiG-23 upgrade. It detects simultaneously 10 to 12 targets, selects the most dangerous 4 of them, tracks and engages them. Weight is 110kg.

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