Question w/ regard to German 2nd Army

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Question w/ regard to German 2nd Army

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The German 2nd Army arrives in 1941 completely without any SUs for the Army or subordinate Corps HQs.

Does anybody know why? Did this Army arrive without any heavy artillery at any of the Corps? No Pioneers at Corps HQ?

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I believe (which may easily be wrong) that its assets were being used in the front lines by other armies. Essentially it was transferring to the Eastern front and the portions that were ready were re-assigned to other units for the opening phases of Barbarossa. Those assets were transferred back after the arrival of the rest of the army to the front.
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Thanks for the info. I can't find anything further on this topic.

Maybe somebody involved in creating or developing the game will have more information.
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You could open later campaign scenario (for example '42 campaign) and compare support units of 2nd Army and it's attached Corps with units existing in '41 campaign. If most of these would exist in '41 scenario or listed as reinforcements you would be able to prove (or disprove if they would be missing) what carlkay58 said.
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ORIGINAL: Champagne

The German 2nd Army arrives in 1941 completely without any SUs for the Army or subordinate Corps HQs.

Does anybody know why? Did this Army arrive without any heavy artillery at any of the Corps? No Pioneers at Corps HQ?

Thanks.

This is correct according to Niehorster, though the Security Division should show up somewhere.


http://niehorster.orbat.com/011_germany ... my_02.html
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Thanks to both for the great suggestions and information.

The Niehorster OOB chart indicates that the 109th Heavy Artillery Regiment was attached to the Second Army, but, that might have simply been the cadre and command components of that German Heavy Artillery Regiment.
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ORIGINAL: Champagne

Thanks to both for the great suggestions and information.

The Niehorster OOB chart indicates that the 109th Heavy Artillery Regiment was attached to the Second Army, but, that might have simply been the cadre and command components of that German Heavy Artillery Regiment.

If you click on the symbols button you will see that the signature indicates a pure HQ formation.
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Yes, you are quite right. I thought that the heavy line in the symbol represented heavy artillery, but, it is indeed the HQ elements of the 109th FA Regiment.

I did as morvael suggested and this indicates that carlkay58 is correct. The SUs provided to 2nd Army at the front were previously assigned to other Armies of Army Group Center, and were present for front line duty on 22 June 1941.

This is a fascinating historical piece of info of which I was unaware.

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