New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Flankerk »

Missed the patrol zone sorry, not entirely sure its a likely patrol zone mind so might need moving?
For the Med I know a few others will be wondering, but a German sub I can see, less likely a Norwegian unless I have missed the plot entirely?

I think with the built airbases this will be a challenging and interesting scenario.
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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

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Look forward to the new version - have lost the plot on the run I was doing - something to do with a wedding and hangover...[:'(]

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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

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Ok, after countless tweaks and twists...attached is the latest version of Gibraltar. A couple of side-notes:

1. There was no import file for Smolensk Airbase, so I imported another one (Chernigovka), moved it to the right spot, and re-named the airbase group. The sub-units still carry the old Chernigovka name but it matters not to the scenario scoring or play. There were just too many sub units to rename and I was lazy.

2. I think the scoring is working ok, you get baseline points for most all Russian targets, bonus points for critical and/or high-value targets, and subtracted points the same way if the NATO side gets whacked.

Enjoy, and pls provide feedback.

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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

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Tried the newest version and won, sort of. The end game triggered as a triumph at 551 points, however I lost the escorting group so four ships lost.
the intro implies that is a defeat, however to be truthful protecting the screening force is extremely difficult with what's arranged against it.

As it is, this is a pretty tough scenario, the distances involved are massive, and I found NATO air power mostly confined to close to the base for at least the first day. Venturing out against the PAK-FA proved unwise. I decided in the end to ignore them, using aircraft as escorts for the bombers, then following the missiles in. This tended to work, and I even caught two PAK-FA refuelling from a tanker.

I never really got in a proper attack against Smolensk, all ordnance ended up being expended against Sevastapol which was flattened.

I quite liked the fact that NATO tends to be on the back foot for a long time, my score was at disaster, again for at least a day.
It also took a long time to take out all the jammers, once that was done a satellite pass then found the Ukrainian targets, however they'd already made passes and not picked up much with the jamming environment.

A few things I wondered:-

The absence of weather I think distorts the sub warfare, they tended to get picked up pretty easily, including my own.
The Russian SAG has I think a weird patrol for the Helix, these seemed to be operating out at about 100 NM from the carriers, and were also distorted to be off centre. The net effect was any head on submarine attack (Astute) cruised through and didn't go through the ASW perimeter at all.

I also noticed IL38 MAY patrolling the Black Sea, no chance of any NATO asset there though. The odd MAY seemed to also be tasked with AAW, as they headed towards Aviano and met the likes of Typhoons and Rafale, might need looking at.

Otherwise an interesting scenario, and several awkward problems for the player to solve.


SIDE: NATO
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
3x NH90 NFH
1x F 710 La Fayette
2x Radar (ARSR-4)
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-65)
1x Patriot M901
1x Patriot M901
1x Stinger MANPADS
2x Vehicle (AN/TPY-2 TMD-GBR)
2x PLS Truck [THAAD]
1x Radar (AN/TPY-2)
1x Ammo Bunker (Surface)
4x Rafale B
3x F-15E Strike Eagle
1x Lynx Mk88A
1x F 215 Brandenburg [Type F123]
1x D 650 Aquitaine [FREMM]
1x S-70B-1 Seahawk [HS.23]
1x F 101 Alvaro De Bazan
6x F-22A Raptor
1x E-3C Sentry
2x MQ-4C Triton UAV [Global Hawk Mod]
1x EA-6B Prowler ICAP III
3x F-35B Lightning II
1x Typhoon T.3


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
16x Aster 15 PAAMS [GWS.45 Sea Viper]
24x RIM-162A ESSM
14x RIM-162B ESSM
3x R.440N Crotale-NG VT1
40x RIM-66M-2 SM-2MR Blk IIIA
13x RIM-116B RAM Blk I
2x 100mm/55 Model 1968 PFHE Burst [4 rnds]
2x DAGAIE Mk2 LEM Chaff
24x RIM-161B SM-3 NTW Blk IB
148x MIM-104F Patriot PAC-3 ERINT
71x MIM-104E Patriot PAC-2 GEM+
337x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
40x MICA EM
14x MICA IR
52x Meteor
14x AIM-132A ASRAAM
48x AGM-88C HARM
23x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
4x AIM-9X Sidewinder
5x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
44x UGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]
12x UGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]
16x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
2x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
7x DUAL TRAP Chaff/Flare
12x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
5x SEALEM Chaff
1x 127mm/54 HECVT
2x 20mm/120 Meroka Mod 2B Burst [144 rnds]
4x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]
32x AGM-86D Blk II CALCM [1200lb Penetator]
8x Mk48 Mod 7 ADCAP CBASS
8x ADM-160B MALD [Active RF]
8x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
40x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
13x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
9x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
16x UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM
14x Spearfish Mod 0
2x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5A(SW)
56x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA
14x SCALP EG
10x Mk54 LHT Mod 0
32x AGM-86C Blk IA CALCM
288x AGM-158B JASSM-ER
4x SUT Mod 4
4x TAU-2000 Torpedo Jammer & Decoy
116x RGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]
40x GBU-39/B SDB
36x AGM-158A JASSM [Penetrator]



SIDE: Russian Federation
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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4x MiG-31BM Foxhound
19x Tu-22M-3M Backfire C
9x Su-35S Flanker
3x Yak-44 Hawkeyeski
24x Su-33 Flanker D
7x Su-24MP Fencer F
8x Il-38N May
5x Il-78M Midas
12x SA-23a Gladiator [9A83M] TELAR
6x SA-23b Giant [9A82M] TELAR
3x A-50 Mainstay A
2x PLA-971M Akula II
17x Ka-27PL Helix A
1x SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0]
1x RKR Admiral Nakhimov [Pr.1144 Orlan, Ex-Kalinin]
1x PLARK-949A Oscar II [Antey]
1x MPK Gremyashchy [Pr.2038.5, Improved Steregushchy]
1x RKR Slava [Pr.1164 Atlant]
3x Vehicle (Grill Pan [9S32M])
3x SA-23b Giant [9A85] LLV
6x SA-23a Gladiator [9A84] LLV
1x PLA-885 Severodvinsk [Yasen, Granay]
1x TAKR Ulyanovsk [Pr.1143.7 Orel]
6x Ka-52K Hokum B
1x TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov [Pr.1143.5]
1x SKR Admiral Grigorovich [Pr.1135.6M]
1x MPK Soobrazitelny [Pr.2038.1, Mod Steregushchy]
10x T-50 PAK-FA
24x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
2x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
4x A/C Revetment (1x Large Aircraft)
7x Runway Access Point (Very Large Aircraft)
4x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
25x A/C Tarmac Space (2x Large Aircraft)
10x A/C Open Parking Spot (1x Very Large Aircraft)
3x A/C Open Parking Spot (1x Large Aircraft)
2x Vehicle (Paint Box [SPN-30] Jammer)
3x Vehicle (SA-25 FCR [50N6A])
12x SA-25 [50P6] TEL
36x DF-21D ASBM TEL [CSS-5 Mod-4]
9x SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS
36x DF-25 TEL
2x Radar (Tin Trap [22Zh6])
1x Radar (Back Net [P-80])
1x Building (Control Tower)
6x MiG-29K Fulcrum D
1x Runway (3200m)
1x PL-20120 [Sarov Class]
1x Ammo Pad


EXPENDITURES:
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228x Kh-101
24x SS-N-19 Shipwreck [P-700 Granit]
36x DF-25 [Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-3]
36x DF-25 RV [Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-3]
134x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
6x AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 [Kh-22NA INS+TERCOM]
1x AA-9 Amos [R-33S, ARH]
48x RGB-48 [Search, Passive Directional]
107x RGB-41 [Search, Passive Omni]
52x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
241x SA-25 [9M96]
67x SA-23a Gladiator [9M83M]
28x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
123x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
23x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
32x SS-N-26 Sapless [P-800 Onyx]
230x AA-13 Arrow [R-37M]
11x AA-11 Archer [R-73M]
11x SS-N-16 Stallion [RPK-7 Vodopei, UMGT-1 Torpedo]
6x SS-N-15 Starfish [RPK-6 Vodopad, UMGT-1 Torpedo]
5x SA-23b Giant [9M82M]
3x MG-114 Berilly
11x Generic Acoustic Decoy
28x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
17x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
6x SS-N-15 Starfish [RPK-6 Veder, UMGT-1 Torpedo]
16x SA-N-21c Growler [9M96]
1x Paket-NK
4x RBU-12000 Torpedo Decoy Salvo [UDAV-1, 10 rnds]
4x SA-N-6a Grumble [5R55RM]
28x SA-N-9 Gauntlet [9M330-2 Kinzhal]
9x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
3x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
10x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30K Burst [375 rnds]
14x SA-N-11a Grisom [9M311K]
1x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
90x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]
5x Generic Acoustic Decoy
11x 100mm/59 A-190 Frag
1x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30KD [375 rnds]
1x SA-N-11b Grisom [9M311K-1]
1x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
2x USET-80K
13x SA-21a Growler [48N6DM]



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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Kitchens Sink »

Thanks for the input. I am working on V3 of this scenario, upgraded to the latest build 546 and the newest database (which contained adjustments for the T-50 stealth and other tweaks by the developers). I am going to wait for the editor save bug and issues with import/export and sonars to be fixed in Build 546 before proceeding further with V3. I also wonder how a U.S. satellite flying at 350 miles above the earth gets it's radar jammed by a Fencer aircraft flying at 40,000 feet....is that possible?

I am going to adjust the scoring so that losing 4 ships/subs puts the player at "disaster" and keeps you there (or notifies you that you lost). I just have to figure out how to do it with the scoring mechanism. Other adjustments to scoring are also necessary.

Enemy sub patrols using the AI are not optimal, partly because they have to cruise at shallow depth or they will not use their standoff weapons. This is an issue I raised in the Tech Forum, enemy subs running on the AI don't seem to want to change depth or speed to fire appropriate weapons when "engaged offensive"...they only change course to intercept. Perhaps I have missed something. I will look at sea state/weather settings also.

I will also check the Russian SAG ASW zone for the Helix, and the orphan IL38 May.

I did well on my run thru, but of course I knew what was going to happen and when. The Astute sub pummeled the Russian SAG because I had taken out all of the helo's and Mays prior to the sub run. I also got a run at Smolensk after the B-1's regenerated from Sevastopol attacks. I kept all my screening force, but the Yasen attack with then Onyx missiles was a close call. Scored 646 points but was using Build 546 upgrade so it's not an apples/apples comparison:

SIDE: NATO
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
1x EA-6B Prowler ICAP III
1x F-15E Strike Eagle
5x F-22A Raptor
1x F-35B Lightning II
1x Patriot M901
2x Patriot M901
5x PLS Truck [THAAD]
1x Radar (AN/TPY-2)
1x Radar (ARSR-4)
1x Stinger MANPADS
1x Typhoon T.3
1x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-65)
4x Vehicle (AN/TPY-2 TMD-GBR)


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
13x 20mm/85 M61A2 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
11x 25mm GAU-22/A Equalizer Burst [30 rnds]
40x 27mm Mauser BK-27 Burst [30 rnds]
18x 30mm Giat 30/M791B Burst [25 rnds]
4x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
24x ADM-160B MALD [Active RF]
24x ADM-160C MALD-J [Stand-In OECM]
16x AGM-154C JSOW [BROACH]
288x AGM-158B JASSM-ER
16x AGM-84D Harpoon IC
36x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA
16x AGM-86D Blk II CALCM [1200lb Penetator]
32x AGM-88C HARM
254x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
34x AIM-132A ASRAAM
38x AIM-9X Sidewinder
36x AN/SSQ-53A DIFAR
372x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
7x AN/SSQ-62A DICASS
312x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
1x Ariel Mk2 FOTRD
16x Aster 15 PAAMS [GWS.45 Sea Viper]
32x GBU-39/B SDB
22x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
5x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
3x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
156x Meteor
50x MICA EM
18x MICA IR
14x MIM-104E Patriot PAC-2 GEM+
44x MIM-104F Patriot PAC-3 ERINT
1x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
8x Mk54 LHT Mod 0
3x MU-90 Impact
24x RIM-161B SM-3 NTW Blk IB
32x RIM-162A ESSM
15x RIM-162B ESSM
1x RIM-66M-2 SM-2MR Blk IIIA
12x SCALP EG
2x SEALEM Chaff
16x Spearfish Mod 0
8x Storm Shadow
35x TSM 8050B Active RO
20x UGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM
20x UGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]
12x UGM-109I Tomahawk Blk IV MMT [Multi-Mission]



SIDE: Russian Federation
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
4x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka
3x A/C Hangar (2x Medium Aircraft)
4x A/C Hardened Aircraft Shelter (1x Large Aircraft)
3x A/C Open Parking Spot (1x Large Aircraft)
21x A/C Open Parking Spot (1x Medium Aircraft)
4x A/C Revetment (1x Large Aircraft)
5x A/C Tarmac Space (2x Large Aircraft)
3x A-50 Mainstay A
1x Ammo Bunker (Surface)
4x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
36x DF-21D ASBM TEL [CSS-5 Mod-4]
32x DF-25 TEL
5x Il-38N May
3x Il-78M Midas
17x Ka-27PL Helix A
6x Ka-52K Hokum B
2x MiG-29K Fulcrum D
4x MiG-31BM Foxhound
1x MPK Gremyashchy [Pr.2038.5, Improved Steregushchy]
1x MPK Soobrazitelny [Pr.2038.1, Mod Steregushchy]
1x PL-636.3 Kilo [Varshavyanka]
1x PLA-885 Severodvinsk [Yasen, Granay]
1x PLA-971M Akula II
1x PLARK-949A Oscar II [Antey]
2x Radar (Back Net [P-80])
2x Radar (Tin Trap [22Zh6])
1x RKR Admiral Nakhimov [Pr.1144 Orlan, Ex-Kalinin]
1x RKR Slava [Pr.1164 Atlant]
1x Runway (2600m)
1x Runway (3200m)
6x Runway Access Point (Very Large Aircraft)
2x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
6x SA-21 Growler TEL
10x SA-23a Gladiator [9A83M] TELAR
5x SA-23a Gladiator [9A84] LLV
4x SA-23b Giant [9A82M] TELAR
2x SA-23b Giant [9A85] LLV
8x SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS
11x SA-25 [50P6] TEL
1x SKR Admiral Grigorovich [Pr.1135.6M]
1x SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0]
5x Su-24MP Fencer F
24x Su-33 Flanker D
8x Su-35S Flanker
9x T-50 PAK-FA
1x TAKR Admiral Kuznetsov [Pr.1143.5]
1x TAKR Ulyanovsk [Pr.1143.7 Orel]
12x Tu-22M-3M Backfire C
1x Vehicle (Cheese Board [96L6])
1x Vehicle (Grave Stone [92N2E])
3x Vehicle (Grill Pan [9S32M])
2x Vehicle (Paint Box [SPN-30] Jammer)
3x Vehicle (SA-25 FCR [50N6A])
3x Yak-44 Hawkeyeski


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
28x 130mm/54 A-192 Frag
8x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
14x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30K Burst [375 rnds]
4x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30KD [375 rnds]
5x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
8x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
6x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73M]
11x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
54x AA-13 Arrow [R-37M]
5x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
4x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
2x AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 [Kh-22NA INS+TERCOM]
36x DF-25 [Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-3]
36x DF-25 RV [Conventional, CSS-5 Mod-3]
10x Generic Acoustic Decoy
6x Generic Acoustic Decoy
97x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
30x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
15x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
228x Kh-101
1x MG-114 Berilly
37x PK-10 Chaff [SR-50]
41x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]
6x RBU-12000 Torpedo Decoy Salvo [UDAV-1, 10 rnds]
88x RGB-41 [Search, Passive Omni]
47x RGB-48 [Search, Passive Directional]
118x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
5x SA-21a Growler [48N6DM]
30x SA-23a Gladiator [9M83M]
131x SA-25 [9M96]
21x SA-N-11a Grisom [9M311K]
7x SA-N-11b Grisom [9M311K-1]
21x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
60x SA-N-21c Growler [9M96]
2x SA-N-4b Gecko [9M33M3]
113x SA-N-6a Grumble [5R55RM]
7x SA-N-9 Gauntlet [9M330-2 Kinzhal]
6x SS-N-15 Starfish [RPK-6 Veder, UMGT-1 Torpedo]
24x SS-N-19 Shipwreck [P-700 Granit]
32x SS-N-26 Sapless [P-800 Onyx]
1x USET-80





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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Coiler12 »

I am going to adjust the scoring so that losing 4 ships/subs puts the player at "disaster" and keeps you there (or notifies you that you lost). I just have to figure out how to do it with the scoring mechanism. Other adjustments to scoring are also necessary.

I don't think that's possible, but you could up the point losses for individual ships.
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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Flankerk »


Probably the most difficult task would be protecting all four, the missions assigned to the subs worked really well, and I had two very nasty surprise attacks. The sub AI also worked very well indeed. I knew roughly where the attack came from, and sent in the Seawolf. It wasn't at a high speed cruise, but promptly had to outrun several standoff ASW attacks. Once I evaded those, came back in and picked up a sub, this was the Akula II I think. Headed towards torpedo range and lost the contact. Couldn't pick it up again for ages and ended up having to call in loads of active sonar-buoy helicopter searches. Found it eventually closing on the Seawolf (or perhaps the task force) but at a sneaky speed of two knots. No wonder I lost the contact.

Its also possible the satellite pass just hadn't been close to the missile sections before and I misunderstood mind.
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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Kitchens Sink »

I used the Advanced Global Hawk's awesome sensor suite to detect the Ballistic Missile sites in Ukraine, and later used one of them to keep tabs on the Russian SAG when it was safe to do so.

The satellite jamming issue I was referring to was the fact that the Lacrosse shows "Jammed" when it flies near/over a Fencer Jammer. I'm not altogether sure that a Fencer can do that to an active satellite radar due to the vertical distances involved. Maybe I should post it in the Tech Forum for the Developers to look at as it may be totally realistic.

I need to do something to get the NATO Carrier Group in the game. It's dead weight on the scenario right now.
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RE: New Scenario for Beta Testing: Gibralter

Post by Galahad78 »

Wow, looks like a very interesting scenario, will try v2.
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