Subs with Deck guns are trolling hard

[JCR]

Try making a mission with a WW2 era destroyer and a sub with deck gun. Guess who will win?
The sub!
It surfaces, shoots of a few rounds with its ultra-fast deck gun (RoF is too high on guns anyway) and immidiately submerges to a few meters so the guns of the DD can't get at it.
Repeat until the DD is dead...
The AI makes exploits like a 14 year old gamer

Any way to fix this? either make deck guns have a ready period of a few mins until they're ready or make surface guns able to engage targets at 5 meters depth, I guess

[Dimitris]

Does the destroyer have ASW weapons with which to attack?

[JCR]

Hedgehog and Depth charges, but of course the deck gun outranges them.
Having anti-surface weapons damage a boat at very shallow depth could be a solution as ASW rockets were designed to do just that and normal shells and bombs probably do some damage as well.

A DD with a longer ranged weapon like RBU or Weapon Alpha probably would destroy it but that is not the point, no sub ever could fire seconds after surfacing and then submerge immidiately again. It is simply unrealistic behaviour

[.Sirius]

Hi will mos submarine deck guns with a lower rof

ORIGINAL: JCR

Hedgehog and Depth charges, but of course the deck gun outranges them.
Having anti-surface weapons damage a boat at very shallow depth could be a solution as ASW rockets were designed to do just that and normal shells and bombs probably do some damage as well.

A DD with a longer ranged weapon like RBU or Weapon Alpha probably would destroy it but that is not the point, no sub ever could fire seconds after surfacing and then submerge immidiately again. It is simply unrealistic behaviour

[jdkbph]

ORIGINAL: JCR

Hedgehog and Depth charges, but of course the deck gun outranges them.
Having anti-surface weapons damage a boat at very shallow depth could be a solution as ASW rockets were designed to do just that and normal shells and bombs probably do some damage as well.

I think your first solution was correct. There should be a significant delay between the boat surfacing and the deck gun being ready to fire. Also the sub deck gun rate fire should be relatively slow as the process is entirely manual, and would probably decrease over time to reflect fatigue. Sea state should play a major factor as well... to the point where high sea states should preclude use of the deck gun at all.

JD

[StellarRat]

That shouldn't happen. Destroyers have way more firepower on the surface and more accuracy too. Definitely something wrong. I'm assuming, of course, that your destroyer has 5" guns in turrets, 40mm Bofors, 20 mm's and MG's or something similiar.

[JCR]

I used a Allen M. Sumner Class in the 1944 version, so all guns are there.

[mikmykWS]

Logged this one.

Sub really shouldn't be engaging in an overmatch but ROF likely too high as well.

M

[apd1004]

ORIGINAL: StellarRat

That shouldn't happen. Destroyers have way more firepower on the surface and more accuracy too. Definitely something wrong. I'm assuming, of course, that your destroyer has 5" guns in turrets, 40mm Bofors, 20 mm's and MG's or something similiar.

No database or game handy to check, but I'd bet it all revolves around the specific guns on each platform and what their base probability of hit (PH) is rather than sheer firepower, and also if the sub has any to-hit modifiers for being a sub (small target?) applied to any weapon shooting at it.

I've posted this in another thread reference anti-aircraft guns because I think there are some serious issues with PH for some guns and I would go as far as to say that guns in general may need some attention and not just in PH values but also in modifiers and the dynamics of engagement. Surface-to-surface guns may very well suffer from the same problem but I haven't tested any of those yet.

[StellarRat]

ORIGINAL: apd1004

ORIGINAL: StellarRat

That shouldn't happen. Destroyers have way more firepower on the surface and more accuracy too. Definitely something wrong. I'm assuming, of course, that your destroyer has 5" guns in turrets, 40mm Bofors, 20 mm's and MG's or something similiar.

No database or game handy to check, but I'd bet it all revolves around the specific guns on each platform and what their base probability of hit (PH) is rather than sheer firepower, and also if the sub has any to-hit modifiers for being a sub (small target?) applied to any weapon shooting at it.

I've posted this in another thread reference anti-aircraft guns because I think there are some serious issues with PH for some guns and I would go as far as to say that guns in general may need some attention and not just in PH values but also in modifiers and the dynamics of engagement. Surface-to-surface guns may very well suffer from the same problem but I haven't tested any of those yet.

Whatever the reason(s) it was generally considered suicidal for a sub to engage in surface combat with a destroyer, so something is way off the mark here. Even the lightest cannons can cripple a sub and prevent from it diving. The gun crew on a sub is usually completely exposed and can easily be killed by the lightest weapons on a destroyer (which has a ton of AA weapons usually.) The light weapons on a destroyer should be able to get into action in seconds and get the range very quickly. While I'm sure there is some documented case where a sub won a surface combat with a destroyer, it would have to be considered a miracle. The problem may be that the sub cannon is too accurate and has too high an ROF. Destroyer 5" guns should vastly out range the deck gun on a sub due to stabilzation, range finders (even radar in some cases), and gun directors, (none of which a sub would normally have.)

[Dimitris]

Fixed in Build 543.

[.Sirius]

Hi guys ROF for main deck guns has been altered to once every 30 secs small calibre ones ie 20mm 40mm etc still have same ROF