ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
In my game with Mike I have lots of 2E units with Naval skills in the mid-60s. Against moving targets from 6000-9000 feet they miss virtually all the time. As I would expect. There's a reason those "stupid" folks back in the 1930s perfected dive bombing.
A 500lb bomb will sometimes sink an xAK, and about 30% of the time an IJN DD. Almost never a sub, although the subs and DDs ought to be reversed in real life. At 6-9k and a 2E that's not a terrible trade-off on odds versus VPs. A 4E at 2000 feet to sink an xAK? Nutso.
A couple of hits could sink an IJN CL. It depends on how much System damage they did, and how many fires. And how sucky the crew is.
But really it's that the army bombers carry GP bombs - not SAP bombs. That seems to matter. They have different penetration values.
Never thought of that. Good catch.
And the damage from two hits is usually more than twice as much.
And yet this is just wrong again. Guys, c'mon what's going on? Things have been the way they are for years.
Default loadout of a B-17:
And unlike you I took the time to "test" it. Lol, I knew it anyway but just to give you an absolutely fresh example. Guadalcanal scen, everything stood down but B-17E. Guess that's an Army bomber? Default loadout GP bombs, these are used for land targets. What happens if an Army bomber goes against ships? It changes bombload to SAP...
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Buna at 99,129
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 13
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
xAK Takaoka Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Ryoka Maru
xAK Josho Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Naval Attack: 4 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
Now this clearly looks like a naval attack on a convoy to me. And before you now take this example to bring up your claim 4E on low naval attack aren't so horrible effective like you know because you use them at 6-9k with inexperienced crews. This is from day 3 of the Guadalcanal scen, the skill of the crews in lownav is whopping 20, it's severe storms and the bomb load is halved because the airfield they fly from is too small which means they would always attack with halve load. Anyways, I've just spent the last 10 min to stand up against yet another wrong claim. And it works for every bomber like this.
That might be just one reason you should test things before you make wrong assumptions and sell them as truth. Ah, this is STOCK scenario, not something I have modded to make it look my way.
Hey ho, just keep discussing stuff on the forum and tell people your truth no matter how wrong it is. I am out of this discussion because like I have said earlier, your claims are absurd so any discussion is mood. You don't have hard evidence for your claims but it is easy to make claims on the internet, just takes a couple of seconds typing and voila. Heck, you didn't test it, didn't even do it in your PBEM and tell the world how it works? I am proud of this forum for all the real life knowledge that has been shown over all the years and there were lots of discussions going on about how the game works. But unlike in the recent past people were knowing what they were talking about. Lots of tests, lots of combat reports, lots of evidence. Lately it has just turned out to vocal blah blah that was usually easily debunked.