CVE to support Amph

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CVE to support Amph

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Question on the best way to use a CVE to support an amphib operation. Game against the AI, and I want to use the CVE Long Island to provide fighter cover for the amph TF with a Marine F4F squadron aboard. Is is best to 1) place the CVE in the amph TF itself - will it fly sorties? Will it be vulnerable to CD guns? or 2) place CVE and a couple of DDs in a separate CVE TF to follow the amph TF?
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It is possible to put a CVE in a transport/ amph TF, so it should fly sorties normally.

I won't put them in a "risky" amphibious TF, unless Allies and late war, when you have around 90+ CVEs, thus they become expendable. At the very least detach it before the actual invasion, to avoid it being part of the CD gun fight.

And you can get the same results by having a "carrier escort" TF following it in the same hex.






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Don't place a CV, CVL or CVE in an amphib TF as flight ops will be curtailed in a land sided hex.
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ORIGINAL: tocaff

Don't place a CV, CVL or CVE in an amphib TF as flight ops will be curtailed in a land sided hex.


CVE are not subject to that penalty.

Also, it is a base hex, not a coast hex, that causes the penalty. CV operating on the coast still operate at 100% unless they are in a base hex.
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It is actually a Dot base the CVs are hampered, not a real base. IIRC anyway [:)]
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OK, so CAP sorties would be the same if the CVE is in an Amph TF or a CVE TF. Good to know.
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I always put them into separate CV Escort TF, to keep away from CD guns. Usually (if I have one) I put AGC with Amph Force HQ to that TF too, to avoid unloading (it's enough that they are in same hex).
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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

It is actually a Dot base the CVs are hampered, not a real base. IIRC anyway [:)]


Any base hex.

CVE should go into CVE "Escort" TF. I do not recommend that they go into any other as if they TF is in a base hex and attacked by surface forces your CVEs will be vulnerable.

Escort TFs do not react so make sure they are excort and not carrier TFs which might react to enemy carriers and prove to be nasty.
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You can mass the CVE's in transport TF too and use as CAP. They can amass astounding air compliment if you are into fall 44 or later, but by that time your game probably is over. You also can swap out the TBD's or resize in many cases if you want more anti naval mission strength.
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Don't mix them. The CVEs will perform better if they're in the same hex, plus enemy air attacks may divert to them instead of your troop ships, which is a good thing if they're reasonably protected with flak ships and destroyers. I don't remember if the Allied HQ ships are fast enough but you might put them in the CVE TF if there's a way. Don't put the HQ in the amphib TF unless you want them to land, and on little islands you probably don't.

It's best to keep them separate because you will likely want the CVE's to stay awhile while the unloaded amphib TF goes home. I don't know for a fact but if you put them in the amphib TF I bet the game system will keep them clear of danger and not bring them in to use their flak weapons for ground support. I've never had carriers of any type receive coastal fire and I frequently put the CVs in the same hex while the troop ships are still loaded because, in my experience they give better coverage that way. The only caveat is clear any minefields before going in.

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