Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!

Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition

Post Reply
User avatar
kaleun
Posts: 5144
Joined: Tue May 28, 2002 10:57 pm
Location: Colorado

Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by kaleun »

I notice that the Ki-49-Ia Helen arriving in 4/42 comes equipped with a forward (looking/firing) MAD. Later models do not have this.
What is this MAD?[X(] A Magnetic Anomaly Detector to detect submerged submarines? Did they even have those back then? and what would an army bomber want with one of those?

So it must be something else[&:]

Anyone?
Appear at places to which he must hasten; move swiftly where he does not expect you.
Sun Tzu
User avatar
bartrat
Posts: 132
Joined: Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:43 pm
Location: USA

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by bartrat »

The MAD mentioned is a Magnetic Anomaly Detector. Both the Allies and Japan deployed early versions of them in WW2.
According to my game GC secn.2, it does have MAD and tracker reports it has a range of 500 and acc of 10.
WW2 logistics fanboy and
Rat Rancher
Rat ranching for fun and profit, had better be fun, cause there is no profit.
User avatar
JuanG
Posts: 906
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:12 pm

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by JuanG »

Yes, it is indeed a Magnetic Anomaly Detector.

The thing to note though, is that even though the aircraft arrives in 4/42, the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44 (may vary depending on scenario). This means until then it will be grayed out on the aircraft, and not provide any function.

For comparison, the Allied MAD activates in 10/42.

Here is an article with some details of Japanese MAD operations.
User avatar
kaleun
Posts: 5144
Joined: Tue May 28, 2002 10:57 pm
Location: Colorado

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by kaleun »

the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44
That's probably while they took it out in the later versions[;)]

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?
Appear at places to which he must hasten; move swiftly where he does not expect you.
Sun Tzu
User avatar
JuanG
Posts: 906
Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:12 pm

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by JuanG »

ORIGINAL: kaleun
the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44
That's probably while they took it out in the later versions[;)]

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?

In Scen 1?

B5N2 Kate
E13A1 Jake
Q1W1 Lorna
User avatar
Gaspote
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:12 am
Location: France

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by Gaspote »

What is the H6 radar ? Do it catch only planes or subs or both? Stats are far over MAD
User avatar
kaleun
Posts: 5144
Joined: Tue May 28, 2002 10:57 pm
Location: Colorado

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by kaleun »

How about DaBigBabes?
Appear at places to which he must hasten; move swiftly where he does not expect you.
Sun Tzu
User avatar
PaxMondo
Posts: 9798
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:23 pm

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by PaxMondo »

ORIGINAL: kaleun
the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44
That's probably while they took it out in the later versions[;)]

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?
Maybe, but it was heavy and big and required several operators. I've always thought that was the reason more than anything ... it needed the space and crew of a 2E. Also, it's operational parameters were so-so .... good in coastal waters maybe? Kinda hard to evaluate.

I think they used the older ones because the Army considered helping the Navy to be ... well, they didn't like it much. [;)] They kept their newer bombers outfitted for themselves.
Pax
User avatar
msieving1
Posts: 526
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2007 2:24 am
Location: Missouri

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by msieving1 »

ORIGINAL: JuanG

Yes, it is indeed a Magnetic Anomaly Detector.

The thing to note though, is that even though the aircraft arrives in 4/42, the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44 (may vary depending on scenario). This means until then it will be grayed out on the aircraft, and not provide any function.

For comparison, the Allied MAD activates in 10/42.

Here is an article with some details of Japanese MAD operations.

The report of the US Naval Technical Mission to Japan on Japanese MAD can be found here.

According to this report, the Japanese MAD was developed by the Navy. There was no Army development of MAD, but 137 units were delivered to the Army for use in the Ki-54 (Hickory) in an ASW role. Maybe the device should be on the Ki-54b instead of the Ki-49Ia.

The Navy deployed about 300 MAD units, with about half on Jakes, and the other half evenly divided amongst Kates, Nells, and Lornas. The Q1W1 Lorna was designed specifically to carry MAD.

The Technical Mission report includes circuit diagrams of all the MAD components, in case anyone would like to build their own.
-- Mark Sieving
User avatar
Feltan
Posts: 1173
Joined: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:47 am
Location: Kansas

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by Feltan »

Helen is MAD, Nell is MAD, Kate is MAD and Lorna's MAD.

Sounds like the lead in to a Country and Western song.

Regards,
Feltan
jmalter
Posts: 1673
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:41 pm

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by jmalter »

In my experience, the only US units that use MAD are the ZPK blimb airgroups.
Dili
Posts: 4713
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:33 pm

RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD?

Post by Dili »

The army had a lot of troops in ships. In fact they by 1943,44 had ships, cargo submarines and LPD's. So they had to fight submarines, the scourge of their soldiers.

I don't know of any statistic but it is possible that after malnutrition and disease more Japanese army soldiers died by submarines than by American army.
Post Reply

Return to “War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition”