21 inch MK14 torpedo

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21 inch MK14 torpedo

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Ok, noob back again with a question...

After Jan 1 1943 my torpedoes are supposed to have their dud rate reduced by 20% (to 60% if I read the editor correctly)-do I need to access a port in order to get that? 25 torpedoes in, and of the hits only 5 have gone off. That is what I would expect before the New Year.

And in my data collecting I have been counting "hit! no explosion" the same as "torpedoes fail to detonate"...is that faulty understanding on my part?

Hoping I'm unlucky and not stupid, I think[8|]
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Happens automagically. It has nothing to do with "upgrading" one torpedo device to another.

And your understanding is not faulty regarding reports of torpedoes not exploding.
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Coolio! Thanks Terminus [:)]

I'll just keep thinking positively that I'm due for a good run [:D]

Like maybe the next ten will explode
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In my experience you will hit AKL's, miss and dud on CV's, tear your hair out & gnash your teeth...
 
 
 
 
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One moves at 9 knts and the other can move at 25+ knts so there is a reason this happens [:)]
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It feels pretty cool to get the "PB obliterated by torpedo" or somesuch...but I would love for the hits on BB, CA, and CVE to bear fruit. Deadly exploding fruit
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In my experience you will hit AKL's, miss and dud on CV's, tear your hair out & gnash your teeth...

My experience as well.

Historically quite a few Mk 14s did score on IJN warships; mostly in 1944 IIRC. HIJMS Kongo was the only IJN BB sunk but a couple of others were hit and damaged including Yamato. HIJMS Shokaku and Taiho were sunk along with most of the IJN CVEs. Junyo was damaged to such a degree by a submarine torpedo as to be out of the war thereafter.
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Spence,

Don't forget that the largest ship ever sunk by a submarine, the IJN Shinano (CV), got stitched with 4 sub launched torpedoes on the way to Kure for fitting out and work ups.

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The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!
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The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!


Back pain getting to you T?
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Spence,

Don't forget that the largest ship ever sunk by a submarine, the IJN Shinano (CV), got stitched with 4 sub launched torpedoes on the way to Kure for fitting out and work ups.

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True , but she was in narrow coastal waters , not blue water. Her speed and maneuvering were significantly reduced.
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The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!

They are in the device database, but no subs use them. That can be fixed in the editor.
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The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!


Back pain getting to you T?

I was being sarcastic. The Mk 14 remained the primary sub-launched torpedo until the end of the war; it's proper that it's the device being used in the game.
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

ORIGINAL: Terminus

The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!


Back pain getting to you T?

I was being sarcastic. The Mk 14 remained the primary sub-launched torpedo until the end of the war; it's proper that it's the device being used in the game.


Actually , so was I. We REALLY need to come up with a Sarcasm smiley. [8|]
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In my experience you will hit AKL's, miss and dud on CV's, tear your hair out & gnash your teeth...

My experience as well.

Historically quite a few Mk 14s did score on IJN warships; mostly in 1944 IIRC. HIJMS Kongo was the only IJN BB sunk but a couple of others were hit and damaged including Yamato. HIJMS Shokaku and Taiho were sunk along with most of the IJN CVEs. Junyo was damaged to such a degree by a submarine torpedo as to be out of the war thereafter.

It was adequate by the end of the war as far as reliability goes. I think they pretty much abandoned trying to kill ships using the magnetic fuse and mostly relied on the contact fuse to get the job done. This lessened the effect of the warhead but they sill did enough damage. I don't think anyone really had a reliable magnetic device anyways. But am speaking with very little actual knowledge on this subject and defer to my superiors here..[;)]
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Back pain getting to you T?

I was being sarcastic. The Mk 14 remained the primary sub-launched torpedo until the end of the war; it's proper that it's the device being used in the game.


Actually , so was I. We REALLY need to come up with a Sarcasm smiley. [8|]

On other forums I've used, we just had a designated Sarcasm Font Color. Like Red.

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I was being sarcastic. The Mk 14 remained the primary sub-launched torpedo until the end of the war; it's proper that it's the device being used in the game.


Actually , so was I. We REALLY need to come up with a Sarcasm smiley. [8|]

On other forums I've used, we just had a designated Sarcasm Font Color. Like Red.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

The Kongo was sunk by Mk 18 torpedoes. THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THIS BROKEN PoS GAME!


Back pain getting to you T?

I was being sarcastic. The Mk 14 remained the primary sub-launched torpedo until the end of the war; it's proper that it's the device being used in the game.

About a third of torpedoes shot by USN subs in the war were Mk 18s. From mid-1944 to the end I believe the ratio was much higher to average out. Mk14 was still probably half-ish in 1945, but it's not true that the Mk 18 was not in widespread use and effective.

In terms of the game I don't see any way where the Mk18's advantages would matter in the engine. No-bubbles isn't a thing is the algorithm, and on-board maintenance is not modeled.
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
In terms of the game I don't see any way where the Mk18's advantages would matter in the engine. No-bubbles isn't a thing is the algorithm, and on-board maintenance is not modeled.
Individual torps should accumulate sys, float & engine damage. Not to mention fires! Captain's skills and crew experience would factor into torp maintenance.
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Didn't subs usually carry a mix of electric & steam-powered torps? If a modder was sufficiently OCD, he could change some of the tubes in each sub to carry the Mk18 during one of the upgrades.
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