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Wow, I deduce that this is a hijacking and not a crash based on reporting in the Wall Street Journal and I’m branded an alarmist or 911 truther… It’s not speculation unless the reporting is wrong, and the WSJ is not a paper that retracts stories very often if ever due to reporting falsehoods.

Now for some actual speculation I’ll answer the Who?/Motive? Question. I can think of four possibilities.

Terrorists/To give them an inter-continental delivery strike capability to create terror and death.

Putin/To give him a means to hit his enemies and assert plausible deniability for the act (i.e. blame terrorists). This is simply based on the timing of the event which coincides with the Ukraine crisis.

Jewel thieves or some other form of thief/Steal possible valuable cargo (if there is actually any cargo worth stealing, just a guess).

Suicidal crew member/To die in the news.

Now that’s some actual speculation.

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Whose to say the hijacking didn't go wrong and they were trying to take it somewhere with a big runway and lots of publicity as most hijackers want? Seems more plausible than your first two options. The first two sound like a script from a jerry brockhimer film
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Wow, I deduce that this is a hijacking and not a crash based on reporting in the Wall Street Journal and I’m branded an alarmist or 911 truther… It’s not speculation unless the reporting is wrong, and the WSJ is not a paper that retracts stories very often if ever due to reporting falsehoods.

Now for some actual speculation I’ll answer the Who?/Motive? Question. I can think of four possibilities.

Terrorists/To give them an inter-continental delivery strike capability to create terror and death.

Putin/To give him a means to hit his enemies and assert plausible deniability for the act (i.e. blame terrorists). This is simply based on the timing of the event which coincides with the Ukraine crisis.

Jewel thieves or some other form of thief/Steal possible valuable cargo (if there is actually any cargo worth stealing, just a guess).

Suicidal crew member/To die in the news.

Now that’s some actual speculation.

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It was the New Zealanders testing their new caffeine powered "energy" weapons.
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Someone went to a lot of trouble and planning to take the aircraft, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have already had a runway in mind when they took it.

You're assuming someone took it. Who? Motive? Where would it land? This isn't a drug runner's Cessna you can land on almost any grass strip carved out in the boondocks.

Doesn't have to be a paved landing field for it to land. Sure it would dig up the turf but land anywhere there is a field opening it could. I'd be searching islands in a 4hour radius from last reported in the air. Gilligan's island may be out there. [:D]
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A plane that size and weight would likely snap its landing gear off in sand or grass or any other soft surface and would likely crash. Planes that size and more importantly weight are not pulling 1940s B-17 landings.
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Someone went to a lot of trouble and planning to take the aircraft, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have already had a runway in mind when they took it.

You're assuming someone took it. Who? Motive? Where would it land? This isn't a drug runner's Cessna you can land on almost any grass strip carved out in the boondocks.

Doesn't have to be a paved landing field for it to land. Sure it would dig up the turf but land anywhere there is a field opening it could. I'd be searching islands in a 4hour radius from last reported in the air. Gilligan's island may be out there. [:D]
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Even if the plane exploded or break apart high in the air, they should find some debris on the water, some of it is floatation. Now its possible that it has been hi-jacked, look like the pilot or group planned this all along. So no contact? Seem that they manage to collect all cellphones at the right time before disappeared under the radar, in that case, they would have to fly very low altitude to avoid radar. There no telling where they went.
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Someone went to a lot of trouble and planning to take the aircraft, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have already had a runway in mind when they took it.

You're assuming someone took it. Who? Motive? Where would it land? This isn't a drug runner's Cessna you can land on almost any grass strip carved out in the boondocks.

Doesn't have to be a paved landing field for it to land. Sure it would dig up the turf but land anywhere there is a field opening it could. I'd be searching islands in a 4hour radius from last reported in the air. Gilligan's island may be out there. [:D]

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Even if the plane exploded or break apart high in the air, they should find some debris on the water, some of it is floatation. Now its possible that it has been hi-jacked, look like the pilot or group planned this all along. So no contact? Seem that they manage to collect all cellphones at the right time before disappeared under the radar, in that case, they would have to fly very low altitude to avoid radar. There no telling where they went.

And if they're out of cell range?

As for flying at low altitude:

A 777's cruise altitude for best range performance varies from 30,000 at max weight, to about 43,000 at low weight...Fuel burn at cruise altitude is far less than at low altitude, and again, taking a moderately heavy weight airplane at normal cruise, a 777 burns about 8,000#/hr per engine, but that number drops to about 5,000#/hr per engine at low weights and optimum altitude.

In terms of nautical miles per pound of fuel, being at 5,000 feet gets you less than half the range of being at cruise. (this is a bit of an oversimplification, it depends on the airplane's weight, the temperature, and the airspeed flown, but it's close enough for our purposes here)...so, a 777 loaded with fuel for 4,000 miles likely can't go farther than 2,000 miles if flown at low altitude. Less if it was being flown at a high airspeed (which burns more fuel per mile).

There are so many variables, that I can only speak in generalities...but jet airplanes guzzle fuel when flown at low altitude. In fact, at idle, on the ground, they're often burning about half the fuel per minute that they burn when going 540 MPH in cruise...

That's from a 757/67 rated pilot on another forum
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Even if the plane exploded or break apart high in the air, they should find some debris on the water, some of it is floatation. Now its possible that it has been hi-jacked, look like the pilot or group planned this all along. So no contact? Seem that they manage to collect all cellphones at the right time before disappeared under the radar, in that case, they would have to fly very low altitude to avoid radar. There no telling where they went.

And if they're out of cell range?

As for flying at low altitude:

A 777's cruise altitude for best range performance varies from 30,000 at max weight, to about 43,000 at low weight...Fuel burn at cruise altitude is far less than at low altitude, and again, taking a moderately heavy weight airplane at normal cruise, a 777 burns about 8,000#/hr per engine, but that number drops to about 5,000#/hr per engine at low weights and optimum altitude.

In terms of nautical miles per pound of fuel, being at 5,000 feet gets you less than half the range of being at cruise. (this is a bit of an oversimplification, it depends on the airplane's weight, the temperature, and the airspeed flown, but it's close enough for our purposes here)...so, a 777 loaded with fuel for 4,000 miles likely can't go farther than 2,000 miles if flown at low altitude. Less if it was being flown at a high airspeed (which burns more fuel per mile).

There are so many variables, that I can only speak in generalities...but jet airplanes guzzle fuel when flown at low altitude. In fact, at idle, on the ground, they're often burning about half the fuel per minute that they burn when going 540 MPH in cruise...

That's from a 757/67 rated pilot on another forum

I agreed with you there too, like you said there are so many variables and possibilities.
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To me, it sounds more and more like the Payne Stewart situation. Flies in random directions. Erratic changes in altitude. It sounds like the plane was unpiloted and depressurized. How it got that way I can only guess at, but I'm thinking that there may have been some catastrophic damage to the cockpit that kills the crew, de-pressurizes the plane and disables various systems.

If it had been hijacked, why would they waste fuel flying out into the Indian Ocean or Zigzagging? They certainly weren't avoiding radar, since they have a track for them for quite a way.
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To me, it sounds more and more like the Payne Stewart situation. Flies in random directions. Erratic changes in altitude. It sounds like the plane was unpiloted and depressurized. How it got that way I can only guess at, but I'm thinking that there may have been some catastrophic damage to the cockpit that kills the crew, de-pressurizes the plane and disables various systems.

If it had been hijacked, why would they waste fuel flying out into the Indian Ocean or Zigzagging? They certainly weren't avoiding radar, since they have a track for them for quite a way.
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To me, it sounds more and more like the Payne Stewart situation. Flies in random directions. Erratic changes in altitude. It sounds like the plane was unpiloted and depressurized. How it got that way I can only guess at, but I'm thinking that there may have been some catastrophic damage to the cockpit that kills the crew, de-pressurizes the plane and disables various systems.

If it had been hijacked, why would they waste fuel flying out into the Indian Ocean or Zigzagging? They certainly weren't avoiding radar, since they have a track for them for quite a way.
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To me, it sounds more and more like the Payne Stewart situation. Flies in random directions. Erratic changes in altitude. It sounds like the plane was unpiloted and depressurized. How it got that way I can only guess at, but I'm thinking that there may have been some catastrophic damage to the cockpit that kills the crew, de-pressurizes the plane and disables various systems.

If it had been hijacked, why would they waste fuel flying out into the Indian Ocean or Zigzagging? They certainly weren't avoiding radar, since they have a track for them for quite a way.
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What are you saying?!? Payne Stewart hijacked the plane? I bet Elvis was his co-hijacker....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South ... rjet_crash
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Even if the plane exploded or break apart high in the air, they should find some debris on the water, some of it is floatation. Now its possible that it has been hi-jacked, look like the pilot or group planned this all along. So no contact? Seem that they manage to collect all cellphones at the right time before disappeared under the radar, in that case, they would have to fly very low altitude to avoid radar. There no telling where they went.

And if they're out of cell range?

As for flying at low altitude:

A 777's cruise altitude for best range performance varies from 30,000 at max weight, to about 43,000 at low weight...Fuel burn at cruise altitude is far less than at low altitude, and again, taking a moderately heavy weight airplane at normal cruise, a 777 burns about 8,000#/hr per engine, but that number drops to about 5,000#/hr per engine at low weights and optimum altitude.

In terms of nautical miles per pound of fuel, being at 5,000 feet gets you less than half the range of being at cruise. (this is a bit of an oversimplification, it depends on the airplane's weight, the temperature, and the airspeed flown, but it's close enough for our purposes here)...so, a 777 loaded with fuel for 4,000 miles likely can't go farther than 2,000 miles if flown at low altitude. Less if it was being flown at a high airspeed (which burns more fuel per mile).

There are so many variables, that I can only speak in generalities...but jet airplanes guzzle fuel when flown at low altitude. In fact, at idle, on the ground, they're often burning about half the fuel per minute that they burn when going 540 MPH in cruise...

That's from a 757/67 rated pilot on another forum

I agreed with you there too, like you said there are so many variables and possibilities.

As far as fuel, yes. But the bottom line is the lower you fly, the more fuel you burn
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Found it!!

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"The satellite imagery company ************, which owns an advanced constellation of commercial satellites, is encouraging citizens to comb through satellite images in response to the disappearance of the plane.

******* today activated its crowdsourcing platform in an effort to locate the Boeing 777 jetliner that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday while in flight from Malaysia to Beijing. If you would like to volunteer your time to support the rescue mission, please visit ******* Tomnod platform to begin combing through satellite imagery for clues that may help locate the missing aircraft
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http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

Courtney Love thinks she’s found Malaysian plane – and posts images as ‘proof’

"Courtney Love has suggested a missing Malaysian plane may have crashed in the ocean and has even offered exact co-ordinates as to where it may be.

"The musician revealed the theory in a Facebook post earlier today, which came accompanied by a photo she had doctored that showed ‘oil’ and ‘a plane’ ...

"The original image was taken from Tomnod, a crowdsourcing tool that uses satellite images. The grab used by Love was listed as having been taken on March 12th."

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I am not an SME but that makes as much sense as anything. There are still some annoying loose ends.
The author knew what he was talking about. That puts him ahead of just about anybody. Still
just how many stolen passports are floating around that area anyway?
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