Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Primarchx]

And it saw service where?

ORIGINAL: Blu3wolf

what was fictional about the F-20? they built 4 of them...

High-performance jet fighter, fully armed with missiles, guns. ECM equipment, fresh paint (stars and bars painted over), single seat, 97% reliability rate, will outclimb, outturn F-16, outrun F-14, low fuel burn (relatively), all digital avionics, radar, terrain following, INS, GPS, Tacan, used only for testing and sales promotion. Now in storage.
Contact Northrop Corp. Will trade for Mig-25 and home address of Air Force Acquisition officer.

— ad found in 'Pacific Flyer' magazine, shortly after the F-20 program was cancelled.

[mx1]

Is there some kind of generic special forces assault boat in database? I can't find anything like the one in picture:



Request to be added or please point me the right item in DB.

[Lnestig]

I see that you integrated Meteor with Eurofighter, can you please integrate it with JAS 39C/D/E Gripen as well, according to FMV JAS is going to be operating with Meteor from 2014-.

[Primarchx]

There are several RHIBs in the DB3000, including armed pirate and SpecOps versions.

ORIGINAL: mx1

Is there some kind of generic special forces assault boat in database? I can't find anything like the one in picture:



Request to be added or please point me the right item in DB.

[slicendice]

I don't know if this is the right thread since it is a bit generic, but;

It seems that those supposedly "stealthy" munitions don't really have lower signatures. Their RCS are generally similar to that of their "non-stealth" counterpart. I wonder if they need to be lowered a bit. If not, an explanation will be welcome, and I'm always ready to be educated. Also something look like an oversight to me is that the unpowered guided bombs have extended IR detection range from rear just like powered weapons.

It seems the F-35 international variants(with block3i service entry date) include Block 4 weapons yet US versions are limited to Block 3F.

I'll be honest, I want to see SDB II loadout for F-35

[mikmykWS]

Thanks for your post but a few more details would be helpful.

Stealth is not only determined but the object that might have it but the sophistication of the sensors that might be looking for it.

F-35: Ah future unit. Our crystal ball is only as good as the info we get. Please submit changes in this string with some sources.

SDBII integration: I think we were looking at that recently. Will get back to you on this.

[slicendice]

Thank you for your reply mikmyk.

I'm not sure if I'm clear about the signature issue. Of course detection is about both sensor and target signature, and I was talking about(what I see as) discrepancies in the latter. What I'm saying is basically that munitions like JASSM, JSOW, Storm Shadow, AGM-129, etc..., with pretty explicit RCS reduction features, don't seem to have lower RCS than the comparable, "non-stealthy" weapons. Of course it will be difficult to find any credible figures, but I'd say a guesstimate will be closer to the real world figures than leaving them in line with weapons with little stealth consideration.

And for the unpowered guided bombs(GBUs), from what I see in database, they are just somehow much more visible to IR sensor from the rear, say maybe 2x+ the detection range from side? Seem to me that someone just forgot that these weapons, although classified as guided weapons, don't really have engines.

I'd like to post a link to the F-35 reference, but I couldn't as newly registered user. Anti spam measures?
dtic.m(WTF)il/ndia/2012annual_psr/WERTH.pdf
Bypassed it anyway.

Not exactly up to date, but you get the general idea. Hate to admit, but the Block 3F weapon set is pretty basic. Block 4 however includes some more sexy stuff.

Both F-35B/C are threshold platform for SDB II integration. So if nothing goes seriously wrong, they will probably get SDB II. Were I to hazard a guess, F-35A will get the same. Even fit testing is done for F-22 and it is designated as an objective platform for integration, but that's a bit far fetched.

BTW APG-63v3 has been fielded by USAF for sometime(although only in small number at a painfully slow rate), wouldn't it be a good time to add an APG-63v3 variant for USAF F-15?

[mx1]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

There are several RHIBs in the DB3000, including armed pirate and SpecOps versions.

RHIB was a keyword thanks. While we are at them - current database have small error. Most RHIBs have cargo capacity of 1450 tons which is impossible for boat with only 9 tons of displacement. Affected units are all civilian and US RHIBs. Since it is not possible to put cargo on boat it doesn't matter much though.

[ComDev]

Thanks guys, have logged various requests [8D]

[Blu3wolf]

Remind me where the apparently fictional Piper cherokee saw service?

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

And it saw service where?

ORIGINAL: Blu3wolf

what was fictional about the F-20? they built 4 of them...

High-performance jet fighter, fully armed with missiles, guns. ECM equipment, fresh paint (stars and bars painted over), single seat, 97% reliability rate, will outclimb, outturn F-16, outrun F-14, low fuel burn (relatively), all digital avionics, radar, terrain following, INS, GPS, Tacan, used only for testing and sales promotion. Now in storage.
Contact Northrop Corp. Will trade for Mig-25 and home address of Air Force Acquisition officer.

— ad found in 'Pacific Flyer' magazine, shortly after the F-20 program was cancelled.

[Primarchx]

The Cherokee Piper was a produced in the thousands. The Tigershark had a handful of flying test/demo aircraft. If my term 'fictional' is too rough for your sensibilities, then I apologize. It's meant more as a term to indicate that their inclusion as a combat element in a CMANO game would be construed as being fictional in nature, not historical.

[Mgellis]

So, there I was, trying to write a scenario featuring the Philippines and I realized...hey, the database does not have the SF-260. In fact, the database does not have a lot of Philippine aircraft that could be used in this scenario and others. So, when there is time, please add the following...

SIAI-Marchetti SF.260
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aermacchi_SF.260
https://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All ... F-260.aspx
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraf ... sf260.html
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... e/siai.htm
http://aircombat.com/about/our-aircraft ... ti-sf-260/

SIAI-Marchetti S.211
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIAI-Marchetti_S.211
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... aft_id=994
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s211a/
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... 211_en.php

McDonnell Douglas 520MG Defender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_ ... 0_Defender
"Philippine military version. Special Forces version, modified 500MG Defender to carry weapons and operate as a light attack aircraft." --Wikipedia
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng ... el-600.php
http://www.digplanet.com/wiki/McDonnell ... 0_Defender

Thank you for considering these!

[Mgellis]

Here are a few additional aircraft to add, when there is time...

KAI KUH-1 Surion <-- new Korean transport/attack helicopter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_Surion
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... ft_id=1165
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/kor ... eal-02325/
http://www.deagel.com/Tactical-Support- ... 51001.aspx
http://www.koreaaero.com/english/product/kuh.asp

KAI KT-1 Woongbi <-- primarily a trainer, but also used as a light attack/COIN aircraft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KT-1_%28trainer%29
http://maxdefense.blogspot.com/2013/07/ ... sible.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -specs.htm

Piper PA-34 Seneca <-- civilian aircraft but used by a number of air forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-34_Seneca
http://www.controller.com/images/Contro ... /41718.pdf
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... per/19.htm
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/ ... ain?id=308

Thanks again for considering these!

[Blu3wolf]

I guess in the same sense, including a piper cherokee as a combat element in a CMANO game would pretty fictional too....

[Primarchx]

Unless, that is, you are creating a scenario based on drug smuggling, or intercepting a deposed dictator fleeing the country, or simulating a neurotoxin attack on Fort Knox... [:D]

ORIGINAL: Blu3wolf

I guess in the same sense, including a piper cherokee as a combat element in a CMANO game would pretty fictional too....

[Blu3wolf]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

Unless, that is, you are creating a scenario based on drug smuggling, or intercepting a deposed dictator fleeing the country, or simulating a neurotoxin attack on Fort Knox... [:D]

ORIGINAL: Blu3wolf

I guess in the same sense, including a piper cherokee as a combat element in a CMANO game would pretty fictional too....

assuming of course that all of those involved a piper cherokee as the dryg smuggling/ dictator holding/ neurotoxin delivering plane, and not a F-20.

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

Unless, that is, you are creating a scenario based on drug smuggling, or intercepting a deposed dictator fleeing the country, or simulating a neurotoxin attack on Fort Knox... [:D]

ORIGINAL: Blu3wolf

I guess in the same sense, including a piper cherokee as a combat element in a CMANO game would pretty fictional too....

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The big reason to have the Piper PA-28 in the database is that it is one of the most common light aircraft in the world, so it is a good choice for representing civilian air traffic. But it could also be used by civilians for a variety of purposes that would make the aircraft critical to a scenario. However, Blu3wolf does make a valid point that you're not going to win any dogfights with it. (I suppose some lunatic might try to use it as a super-light attack aircraft and rig a hardpoint under the fuselage; the plane could probably just barely carry a single MK 81 250-lb. bomb...you could actually model this in Command by editing the weapons on the plane...I'm not sure how well that would actually work, though...)

[Mgellis]

Here are two more that could be added. No rush on these, but they might be useful in scenarios...

Hawker Siddeley HS 748 <-- used by over a dozen air forces around the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_748
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=57
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... ver_en.php

BAE Systems SkyEye
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_SkyEye
http://en.ruvsa.com/catalog/skyeye_r4e_50_and_r4e_100/
http://rahauav.com/Library/samples/spec_04_uav.pdf <-- this actually has a lot of specs for a lot of UAVs, so it may be useful for other platforms, too

Thanks for considering these.

[mikmykWS]

Various request logged including Piper and F-20

Thanks!

Mike

[Coiler12]

Not sure if you got my request for this proposed upgrade that wasn't entered into service.

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

As a hypothetical, you could include the proposed MiG-23-98:

From the wiki article:

MiG-23-98 In the late 1990s, Mikoyan, following their successful MiG-21 upgrade projects, offered an upgrade which featured new radar, new self-defense suite, new avionics, improved cockpit ergonomics, helmet-mounted sight, and the capability to fire Vympel R-27 (NATO: AA-10 "Alamo") and Vympel R-77 (NATO: AA-12 "Adder") missiles. The projected cost was around US$1 million per aircraft.

(Russian language) detailed information here: MiG-23-98

Coiler

Also, Smuggling submarines would be good to use in a scenario.