Saper222(Ger)VsMktours(Sov)1.07.11---Saper welcome

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Saper222(Ger)VsMktours(Sov)1.07.11---Saper welcome

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I asked Saper to play a campaign and this is what he offered and I accepted: Non - random weather, HQ Lock (for Germany), Full FoW, old rule for first winter, VC260, 1.07.11version.
I have never played the old Blizzard so I agree to it, given Saper is a much experienced player than me, it is an honor for me to play with him and I view it as a learning process.
I just received Saper’s T3, a fascinated turn and I am facing a crisis. I am not sure if I could overcome it so it is the perfect timing to begin a AAR to record this game. I read the great AAR by Kamil recording his epic campaign against Saper, which is amazing, now I am witnessing the magic Saper are capable to do in our game. That is great. I hope I could beat it.
This AAR would be updated later after the game process a bit more.
Saper is welcome and I hope he could provide some comments or join the discussion in this AAR. The update would be several turns lagging of the real action.
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Well, I am glad to see this matchup as it promises to be a very competitive game, for once. Have no idea how this will turn out, which is a good thing, although I think Sapper has more cheese under his belt than you.

Watch out for how he uses the Red Air force in particular. He really knows to abuse the air game and leverage the numerical superiority of the Red Air force. If you're not careful, the Luftwaffe will be wrecked by the end of 1942 and endless bombing spam will win the game for him. That's just one of his more appalling tricks, there are others.

Oops, never mind, he is playing the Axis and you the Soviets. I wish it had been the other way around, tbh. Sapper is equally nasty playing either side, whereas I have no idea how well you play the Soviets, but am confident about your ability to drive the Wehrmacht.

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Flav, Sapper is playing the Germans. [;)]
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Flav, Sapper is playing the Germans. [;)]

Yes, I had a brainfart.
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You're teasing us, post a map or two. Saper222's opening moves are critical to the success of his strategy, posting after they are over means we miss the most important part. It's like a movie of Titanic which starts after the ship has sunk and everyone is back on land.
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ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

You're teasing us, post a map or two. Saper222's opening moves are critical to the success of his strategy, posting after they are over means we miss the most important part. It's like a movie of Titanic which starts after the ship has sunk and everyone is back on land.

I second this! The opening moves are so important!
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@Tom@Agame,
Thanks for following this AAR. It would be a turn by turn report so you will see the opening.
I work in day time in week days, so could only do the game and AAR in my leisure time.
I have a difficult turn to do and don't want to let Saper waiting, so the AAR have to wait.
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T1 north before action
Saper tried to encircled as much troops as he can in the north, he took Riga by 56pz and sent 41pz towards the east.

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T1 center before Sov action
A normal Minsk pocket, Saper chose to reserve some attacks.

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T1 south before SHC action
A extended Lvov pocket with 2 Pz corps borrowed from 2 PzG, Saper reserved some MP of his Pzs and used some regiments to defend, as a result, 3 key position(circled) in clear hexes were to be counter attacked and all his pz spearhead were to be cut off.

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battle1
After 4 rounds of bombing, a motorize div on clear hex was beat by 13th tank div and 2 good rifle divs.
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very interested to follow this one...
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battle2
A Pz regiment could not hold off the attack of 2 tank divs and 1 mech div. 53 AFV Vs 834 AFV.

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battle3
A motorize div in clear hex is very vulnerable to attack, and a regiment of it is even more vulnerable.

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T1 south
All the pocket were broken. Many German Pzs were cut off. I thought I have given Saper a difficult T2 to do, but he show how good he is in T2 and surprise me. Indeed, I thought we surprised each other by each turn, [:)] And I am anxious waiting his T4 at this moment. I have my mistakes to made and was facing a crisis in T3.

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T1 south front
I used rail to move the troops out of to be pocket, some could not escape as they are locked and hit by low Mp.

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T1 north-center
normal deployment

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Wuffer,
Thank you.[:)]
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very interested to follow this one...
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A Pz regiment could not hold off the attack of 2 tank divs and 1 mech div. 53 AFV Vs 834 AFV.

In one of my recent games I also opened the Lvov pocket in two places which caused my opponent to quit the game immediately. Experienced players like saper222 obviously will use it to their advantage. Knowing what you know now, would you still attempt to break the Lvov pocket on T1 or would you just retreat and use 16th army somewhere else? Basically, is there any point in breaking the Lvov pocket against a very experienced player?
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Bozo,
In my case, I only use one Motorize div from outside to open the pocket, the counter-attacks are made by units inside after the pocket has been open. These troops are doomed, they could not escape in T2. The counter attacks is making his T2 difficult but he overcome the difficulty.
As for opening pockets, it depends on situation. There is not standard answers.
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A Pz regiment could not hold off the attack of 2 tank divs and 1 mech div. 53 AFV Vs 834 AFV.

In one of my recent games I also opened the Lvov pocket in two places which caused my opponent to quit the game immediately. Experienced players like saper222 obviously will use it to their advantage. Knowing what you know now, would you still attempt to break the Lvov pocket on T1 or would you just retreat and use 16th army somewhere else? Basically, is there any point in breaking the Lvov pocket against a very experienced player?
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