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Drop tank Supply usage

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Does anyone know how planes spend supply with drop tanks. Do they spend supply when I order them to use drop tanks in the menu. Or if they fly longer then range specified in their spec sheet even ı did not oerder them to use drop tanks. In other word Zero M2 A2 has a range of 9 without droptanks but also a range of 7 without droptanks in normal range. So if I give a CAP mission with 9 mission range do they use supply for drop tanks.

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Does anyone know how planes spend supply with drop tanks. Do they spend supply when I order them to use drop tanks in the menu. Or if they fly longer then range specified in their spec sheet even ý did not oerder them to use drop tanks. In other word Zero M2 A2 has a range of 9 without droptanks but also a range of 7 without droptanks in normal range. So if I give a CAP mission with 9 mission range do they use supply for drop tanks.

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No is the short answer.

A/c can have four operational ranges, two without droptanks and, if able to carry them, two with. Each consists of normal and extended range; the basic difference being the amount of payload they can carry and, in some instances, the type of operation they can carry out. Putting droptanks on an a/c uses more supply than without.
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When you activate DTs every mission flown consumes extra supply, independent of whether you exceed non-DT range or not.
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DT are doubling supply usage of unit

7.2.1.6.4 COSTS OF LONGER RANGE MISSIONS:
As is often the case, logistics are critical. Any Aircraft operating with Drop tanks is assumed to
be expending supply at twice (x 2)
the rate that it would if flying Clean ranges. This represents
several considerations, including the increased use of fuel. Fuel is supply. Additionally Drop
Tanks are a perishable item that frequently did not come back with the A/C after a successful
sortie. Be prepared to support units you wish to operate for long periods at Drop Tank ranges as
they will need more supply and AV support to counter the detrimental effects of long missions.
Be judicious and remember to turn them off
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Thanks for reply, That is clear for me now. But what happens when DT is off but if I still use DTs. If you check plane stats form the game menu most figter has a normal range and extended range without the DT option on. A zero has 14 range with DT on. Without DT's its range is 9. If you check the plane stats its has 7 normal range and 9 extended range. Does it means that if I set zero's range to 7, will it spend less suppy or it only spend extra supply when DT are on.

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When DT are on even if flying at range 0 unit will use 2x supplies. Range is not important only thing that matters is DT on/off
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When DT are on even if flying at range 0 unit will use 2x supplies. Range is not important only thing that matters is DT on/off

Thanks I got that. But I was also asking that in the plane stats there is normal range of 7 and extended range of 9. I was wondering does this extra 2 range cost supply or else what is the trade of this 2 range differance. extra pilot fatigue or less over the target time or less ammo


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When plane i flying extended range with or without DT he suffer some penalties.

Extra fatigue to pilots.
Extra fatigue to planes.
Bigger chance of op loses.
Smaller chance to coordinate

But what i am aware of there is no impact on supply cost between normal and extended range only difference for supplies is between DT on or off.
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When plane i flying extended range with or without DT he suffer some penalties.

Extra fatigue to pilots.
Extra fatigue to planes.
Bigger chance of op loses.
Smaller chance to coordinate

But what i am aware of there is no impact on supply cost between normal and extended range only difference for supplies is between DT on or off.


Thanks alot that will help me great. I think any Fighter in CAP duty which does not on escort mission should have their mission range shortened.

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When plane i flying extended range with or without DT he suffer some penalties.

Extra fatigue to pilots.
Extra fatigue to planes.
Bigger chance of op loses.
Smaller chance to coordinate

But what i am aware of there is no impact on supply cost between normal and extended range only difference for supplies is between DT on or off.


Thanks alot that will help me great. I think any Fighter in CAP duty which does not on escort mission should have their mission range shortened.

If i want to have point defense CAP i ordering range 0. It will lower risk of leak CAP if you dont want it but still some planes can disobey that order, will minimize pilot fatigue and op loses and maximize CAP effectiveness.

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So does a carrier plane using drop tanks lose two sorties for each use?
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Sorry if using a topic of someone else, but my question is anyway linked to the drop tanks. How does it work drop tank, or to say it better why it happens that for the same type of plane sometimes I can use them and sometimes not (not in the same base)?
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So does a carrier plane using drop tanks lose two sorties for each use?
Good question. I don`t know.
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Sorry if using a topic of someone else, but my question is anyway linked to the drop tanks. How does it work drop tank, or to say it better why it happens that for the same type of plane sometimes I can use them and sometimes not (not in the same base)?
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To use DT base need to have at lest 2x more supplies that is required by base
Note also that, for allies some planes can use DT after certain date.
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So does a carrier plane using drop tanks lose two sorties for each use?

No.

Edit: that is, when it is stationed on a carrier, obviously. [;)]
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Add another one to the "I didn't know that" file. Thanks.
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So does a carrier plane using drop tanks lose two sorties for each use?

No.

Edit: that is, when it is stationed on a carrier, obviously. [;)]

This is mostly fighters, which don't use sorties on Cap, and some DBs, right, that can use drop tanks on search missions but not on naval strike missions?

Sorties are really the bomb loads for CV planes.
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According to the manual, and according to my experience, sorties are deduced per offensive mission flown (so this includes escorts and TB). According to my experience only (the manual is kinda vague on this) this means one sortie used per plane per mission.

So, a TB on attack mission will expend a torp and use one sortie. An escorting fighter will use one sortie as well as a DB. This usage is independent of the DT setting.

For game terms it translate in about 4.3 full deck strikes for a Lex class CV, deducting CAP it comes down to 5 'full' deck strikes.

A plane flying CAP, ASW, naval search, or ferry flights, can be flown without using sorties. Sweeps I am not totally sure, but I think they will use sorties as well. Recon, no idea.
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DT are doubling supply usage of unit

7.2.1.6.4 COSTS OF LONGER RANGE MISSIONS:
As is often the case, logistics are critical. Any Aircraft operating with Drop tanks is assumed to
be expending supply at twice (x 2)
the rate that it would if flying Clean ranges. This represents
several considerations, including the increased use of fuel. Fuel is supply. Additionally Drop
Tanks are a perishable item that frequently did not come back with the A/C after a successful
sortie. Be prepared to support units you wish to operate for long periods at Drop Tank ranges as
they will need more supply and AV support to counter the detrimental effects of long missions.
Be judicious and remember to turn them off

If supply is fuel for air and using DT from a base uses double supply. What does using DT from an Air TF use since supply is not used here? Fuel?
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Air Combat TF sortie usage includes supplies of bombs and fuel and presumably drop tanks.
IIRC, it is not true that CAP does not use sorties: sorties are used at a lesser rate - something like one sortie per five CAP missions flown. Hence there is no free ride for DT or fuel usage on a carrier.
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