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Unity of Command. I’ve posted before that I love the simple but elegant design, the interface, and I don’t even mind the bobblehead sprites! But this game is ruined for me by gamy scenario design that requires the player to throw out virtually all sound operational concepts in order to snatch the prize before the arbitrary time deadline runs out.

Never could get into any Civs after Civ II… maybe I just played that one too much.

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Two things really disappointed me about GGWBTS was

1. Emancipation Proclamation. It seemed very hard to beat on Union side if you couldn't make that come off and it was hard to get the requirements.
3. Limits on garrison/militia. Couldn't hardly keep rebellious areas not rebelling cause I was not allowed to build enough garrisons, it seemed.

What about #2? [:D] I've been playing GGWBTS a lot over the summer so I can't rate it a "letdown," but I agree that it is flawed. The large regions and month-long turns make it impossible to recreate campaigns of maneuver like Lee's invasion of PA or Rosecrans' conquest of central TN. And the initiative system, while arguably realistic in creating the lethargy of certain commanders, can lead to long stretches where not much happens. That said I'd love to hear a GGWBTS 2 was in the works that corrected some of these issues, but it doesn't sound like that's happening. [:(] I have the AGEOD game (the first one) and just haven't gotten into it, it seems very busy and unnecessarily fiddly. But I'll probably give it another try, or maybe just cave into my addiction and buy Civ War II. [8D]

BTW re the multiplayer vs. solitaire/AI debate, I wouldn’t argue that a human player trumps AI every time (all other things being equal) in terms of challenge, but I have to echo those who say they play solitaire in part to decompress and escape the grind of social interaction that is a constant feature of our daily lives. Also, if the game is thoughtful and deep enough, I can learn something about a particular historical period… and that’s just as much fun as “winning” the game.
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Oh, Unity of Command. How hard did that suck?
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Oh, Unity of Command. How hard did that suck?

Wow that's harsh. [:D] I wouldn't say it sucked, there's a lot I liked about the game, like the emphasis on logistics, the way theatre assets are handled abstractly (unlike, say, the miracle hovering planes in Panzer Corps), and I thought the map and documentation were very well done. But the puzzle-styled scenarios seem designed to appeal to non-wargamers, so the system's wasted, imo. There's a heckuva game in there somewhere.
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Oh, Unity of Command. How hard did that suck?

lol Terminus you kill me sometimes. They let you stay here this long without a ban......oh wait!
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Why does everyone throw in the towel so fast? I enjoy arguing, dammit! Doesn't really work when I have to do that all by myself too!


Because arguements generally lead to name calling and name calling generally leads to people taking sides and people generally taking sides generally leads to more name calling and then somebody gets banned anyway. You twerp! lol
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Oh, Unity of Command. How hard did that suck?

Wow that's harsh. [:D] I wouldn't say it sucked, there's a lot I liked about the game, like the emphasis on logistics, the way theatre assets are handled abstractly (unlike, say, the miracle hovering planes in Panzer Corps), and I thought the map and documentation were very well done. But the puzzle-styled scenarios seem designed to appeal to non-wargamers, so the system's wasted, imo. There's a heckuva game in there somewhere.

The last two sentences in your post is why it sucked. That and the brain-dead AI.

"Oh look, there's an open hex there! Instead of using our T-34 to defend against the advancing German panzers, let's go driving through into their rear area until we run out of fuel and ammunition! Wheeeeee!"

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Oh, Unity of Command. How hard did that suck?

lol Terminus you kill me sometimes. They let you stay here this long without a ban......oh wait!

Because I said Unity of Command sucked? Tough.
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Or maybe rather you should work on basics of human interaction? Because for a "social person" you're shockingly inept at it.

She says she plays vs males, so prolly just pent up anger about losing every game [8D]
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That's mature.
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AHAHA, even my wife laughed at the "so prolly just pent up anger about losing every game". Ahhhhh.
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Or maybe rather you should work on basics of human interaction? Because for a "social person" you're shockingly inept at it.

She says she plays vs males, so prolly just pent up anger about losing every game [8D]
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Promise ? I sure hope so, don't look back. BUH BYE !
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Why does everyone throw in the towel so fast? I enjoy arguing, dammit! Doesn't really work when I have to do that all by myself too!


Because arguements generally lead to name calling and name calling generally leads to people taking sides and people generally taking sides generally leads to more name calling and then somebody gets banned anyway. You twerp! lol

And arguments lead to more arguments, and name calling leads to more name calling...and that leads to fighting and fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring. And that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now! Busted up, and everyone talking about World in Flames taking another 2 years to go gold! But we've learned, by the dust of them all... Matrix Forums learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves.
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Why does everyone throw in the towel so fast? I enjoy arguing, dammit! Doesn't really work when I have to do that all by myself too!


Because arguements generally lead to name calling and name calling generally leads to people taking sides and people generally taking sides generally leads to more name calling and then somebody gets banned anyway. You twerp! lol

And arguments lead to more arguments, and name calling leads to more name calling...and that leads to fighting and fighting leads to killing, and killing gets to warring. And that was damn near the death of us all. Look at us now! Busted up, and everyone talking about World in Flames taking another 2 years to go gold! But we've learned, by the dust of them all... Matrix Forums learned. Now, when men get to fighting, it happens here! And it finishes here! Two men enter; one man leaves.

This isn't ThunderDome. lol
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No, this is Barter Town. And we all know who runs Barter Town.
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No, this is Barter Town. And we all know who runs Barter Town.


The pigs?
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LOL! No! Come on... don't make me say it... someone will.

Who run Barter Town?! [:'(]
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Master Blaster runs Bartertown!

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