Right to Privacy?

[Orm]

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... il-lawsuit

[wings7]

I you don't have anything to hide...who cares! [8|] If you want privacy you have meet face to face...much better odds! [8D]

Patrick

[bairdlander2]

Looking forward to the future and being arrested for "thought crimes"[:D]

[Darkspire]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Looking forward to the future and being arrested for "thought crimes"[:D]

The future has already arrived [8|]

Predictive policing

If that goes ahead you are likely to get arrested for anything they care to conjure up, the test area over here is already up in arms over it.

Darkspire

[Twotribes]

ORIGINAL: Darkspire

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Looking forward to the future and being arrested for "thought crimes"[:D]

The future has already arrived [8|]

Predictive policing

If that goes ahead you are likely to get arrested for anything they care to conjure up, the test area over here is already up in arms over it.

Darkspire

Care to quote the article where they arrest people for what they are thinking? All I saw was a means to GUESS where to send resources. And it is pretty much a guess at 6 percent success rate.

[Sarge]

anyone that assume any “Board Of Directors” can be trusted with their privacy is an idiot, every time you let a clerk scan your id they store ‘n mine your personal info .

apparently our civil rights had an expiration date when we entered the computer age, try rifling through someone’s mail box based on the justification you're company manufactured the mail box and see what happens ………..

[wings7]

ORIGINAL: Sarge

anyone that assume any “Board Of Directors” can be trusted with their privacy is an idiot, every time you let a clerk scan your id they store ‘n mine your personal info .

apparently our civil rights had an expiration date when we entered the computer age, try rifling through someone’s mail box based on the justification you're company manufactured the mail box and see what happens ………..

The "store ‘n mine" action is all about commerce (trying to sell you stuff) and that's a predominate trait of a capitalistic society. It is annoying but we have the power to say no or delete the solicitation...it's all about freedom of choice, legal choice that is!

Patrick

[Jim D Burns]

Times are changing, and I’m guessing private industry is taking their lead from the recent government constitutional violations involving the IRS and NSA. For many decades I’ve been an ATT phone customer and have always chosen the opt out method to prevent them from gathering my info and selling it to the highest bidder.

Recently they sent me a letter stating their privacy policy has changed. They offered me two choices (direct targeted data or regionally targeted data), neither of which allows me to preclude them from gathering data on me. Basically what they’ve told me is since the government can gather whatever info they want on me now they are going to do it too and I have no way out other than to cancel my phone service.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Now that the Obama administration has opened the flood gates by ignoring constitutional law, I guarantee they will take as much of our rights to privacy away from us as they can. It won’t be long before they pass a law requiring we comply with their demands for our private info, say goodbye to your freedoms.

I mean common, what right does the IRS have to demand to know what you pray for or what books your read? If they’re willing to go that far right now with current law (albeit non-enforced law) in place, give it a few years and they’ll be demanding to know far more than that. And as long as there’s a buck to be made private industry is more than happy to go along as ATT’s recent letter proves.

Jim

[Lecivius]

Not gonna get into a political argument here, but "Now that the Obama administration has opened the flood gates by ignoring constitutional law" is not historically accurate. Government data mining goes back to Eisenhower.

[Jim D Burns]

I agree it has always been a battle between the people and the government to maintain our rights, but what is happening now is simply unprecedented in our history. Every phone call has been recorded by the government and all internet activity is also recorded.

When I was active in law enforcement getting a phone tap warrant was the hardest warrant to obtain, you needed serious probable cause proving criminal malice to convince a judge that all conversations that occurred on a single phone line should be recorded. Now every single American has basically had their phones tapped by our government for years and you want to try and justify this by pointing to bad behaviors from the past?

I’m sorry but this is dangerous stuff. The proof is in the fact nobody in power from either side wants to give it up. They are all clamoring for the power to stay in place stating it helps combat terrorism, but no one can point to one instance where a serious credible attack was thwarted.

The fact they went after political donor lists using the IRS should send chills up any Americans spine. Do you really think they didn’t then go in and listen to the phone conversations of their political enemies they got from the IRS lists looking for dirt? This is the kind of stuff that starts civil wars and leads to dictatorships.

Once they take something from you they will never give it back. Right now they are busy taking away our privacy rights, soon they’ll go after other rights too. Stop thinking about this like it’s a team sport, there are no good sides and bad sides. It’s simply the government wanting total control over the people. It doesn’t matter who is in charge when it happens once they get control, it will never be given back without a fight.

Jim

[vonRocko]

Right on the money Mr. Burns! The slogan now is: "If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear!"[:@] I've seen this written on these very forums.Forty years of "war" on this and that has created a police state,with more people incarcerated than oppressive totalitarian countries! God protect the constitution, because our government won't.

[Blond_Knight]

Whenever I hear people say: "If your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear." Or "I have nothing to hide." Im reminded of this poem about how the Nazi's came to power.

First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Lecivius]

"but what is happening now is simply unprecedented in our history. Every phone call has been recorded by the government and all internet activity is also recorded. "

This has been happening for at least 8 years that I know of, since things changed from a mechanical switch to a software switch. Also, the calls are not recorded, the numbers are. Recent changes have allowing monitoring of keywords, but no one in their right mind is saving all calls. And you internet activity has been monitored since the Search Engine became common use. That is not freeware, that data is how places like Yahoo & Google make their insane amounts of money.

Not that I don't agree that privacy is a thing of the past. But to blame it on one person or one political party is not valid, or correct. Instead, look to who benifits, and who funds these political parties. Your not paranoid if their really IS people out to get you ( in this case, your information).

[Jim D Burns]

You’re still trying to deflect the issue and blame someone else. The Obama administration is the current steward in charge of defending the constitution. They have been caught red handed flagrantly violating constitutional law and using the power of the government to oppress political thought and speech. They publicly say they want to hold people accountable and stop the oppression, yet they do nothing and no one has been charged or arrested.

The speeches condemning their own acts of oppression are simply political showmanship designed to placate loyal apologists into not questioning their methods and policies. Blaming the past or trying to deflect the issue away from their criminal behavior simply serves their purposes and shows you’ve been fooled into believing their lies.

The Bush administration got things rolling with the new laws that expanded government power, but no one in history has ever done things nearly as egregious as this administration has when it comes to taking away constitutional freedoms and I’m only speaking about what we know for sure they’ve done. I guarantee there are far worse things they are doing we have no idea of right now.

Also, the calls are not recorded, the numbers are.

Sure that must be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. After all they told you it was true in a speech right?

Jim

[Qwixt]

I read on yahoo! news a week or two ago, that some black vans showed up at a house because the mom googled pressure cookers, and the dad was looking at backpacks.

http://news.yahoo.com/google-pressure-c ... 00667.html

[Darkspire]

Guess the tin foil should be brought in large quantities now then, good job I have this and its tin foil lined [:D]

Darkspire

[DSWargamer]

You have lost a lot more than just your privacy, and that is likely the thing that I think requires the most concern.

When I think of 'home of the brave' I am wondering, brave? they seem more like sheep, and 'land of the free', and I am wondering free? really?

I am not saying Canada is several orders of magnitude better than the US, but I will say this much, we have a lot less crap to deal with up here.

But the internet has no borders, and that is perhaps the hardest lesson for society to deal with. All the rules based on borders, were designed for physical borders.

[histgamer]

Part of the problem is technology is so relatively new that laws simply don't exist regulating what can and cannot be monitored or used.

As an example.

There are very strict rules pertaining to what kind of information can be given out over the phone. For example certain things are considered CPNI so for example at least according to the way my employer handles the laws around it, you cannot call into this cellphone carrier and get information about specific numbers, dates and times phone calls are placed. If you want that information you have to be in person in a store with a photo id to get a print out of the data, time and number you yourself called or at which someone called you. The content of a Text message(the actual words sent) cannot be provided under any circumstances without a subpoena and is deleted from our servers after about a week or two (simply to many to store, it would take up to much space, and I believe though I could be wrong, the FCC requires the info be deleted after a maximum of around 90 days)

Picture messaging and data sessions however can be shared over the phone because the laws that were written preventing specific phone call info or text messages from being given out does not pertain to "data" and there really hasn't been any change in those laws in 10+ years since the smartphone and mms (multi media messaging) services have become common place.

This all pertains more to individuals than governments as we all know Government has played by a different set of rules over the last 11 years but its still worth considering most of the technologies that we feel are invading our privacy are all relatively new compared to more "traditional" media and thus regulations around them are not nearly as hashed out as per say land-line phone calls or other older technologies. Furthermore it also contrasts quiet dramatically the way most virtual data is handled where sites like Ebay plainly admit they never delete your data ever.

[Jim D Burns]

It’s not as simple as trying to blame all the new technology, it’s the administration’s willingness to lie and break the law that is driving the downfall of our privacy rights. In a recent audit interview a FISA court judge revealed he has no actual authority to over-see the spying operations by the NSA. He relies solely on what the government tells him and in one case they didn’t even mention a new spying program for over half a year from when it was put into operation. It was later found to be unconstitutional. And of course if the government is lying to him he has no actual oversight ability at all and is simply a puppet figure put in place to placate those who have questions.

Here’s an article from the Washington post that spells out a lot of what has been found out so far, thousands criminal violations by the NSA a year, of course the administration is blaming typos and PC errors.

And for those who believe it’s just phone numbers and email addresses they are collecting here’s a quote from the article:

In what appears to be one of the most serious violations, the NSA diverted large volumes of international data passing through fiber-optic cables in the United States into a repository where the material could be stored temporarily for processing and selection.

The operation to obtain what the agency called “multiple communications transactions” collected and commingled U.S. and foreign e-mails, according to an article in SSO News, a top-secret internal newsletter of the NSA’s Special Source Operations unit. NSA lawyers told the court that the agency could not practicably filter out the communications of Americans.

The last sentence spells out the current governments stand on protecting constitutional rights. I guess they simply find it too irritating to protect our rights so they didn’t even bother to try…

Jim

[Rodia]

I agree with critics. Obama is a T-Rex in sheep's clothing.

And I plan to delete my gmail account (with Google+ attached to it) as soon as I can. "Don't be evil" was Google motto, so far.