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Just was wondering, that if the jfb commander see they're are what looks like 2 fortresses, (ie Singapore and Palembang), which would players consider the most important to take, and if you take one, is it feasible to bypass or siege the other one. Just a thought and question from a newbie.

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It may depend on the scarcity of oil/fuel in the scenario. Some of the modified scenarios have played with this.
In stock campaign, the Japanese have enough fuel for the first six months or so and this makes Singapore the most important target.

With Singapore taken the IJN can use the Strait of Malacca to mount operations in the IO. This forces the Allies to devote their effort to fortifying India/Ceylon and reduces their effort in Burma.
Singapore also gives Japan a well-placed dockyard on the western flank and guards the South China Sea from British interference. Bombers at Singapore can help reduce Fortress Palembang.

Taking Palembang first may give you the oil, but you have to be able to get it out and back to Japan. Bombers can be staged into Singapore to attack normal tanker routes, and Palembang itself. Not good. Singers can also be a sub base which allows sub-based mining of important ports like Palembang and Miri/Brunei.
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29 December 1941
Lots of Clicking, Not Much Action

Singapore is 35% of the way to level 4 forts and still no attacks. The Japanese have taken Johre Baru and have minimal strength there. I was sorely tempted to sally forth with some troops to attack but refrained. I will maintain my combat strength behind my walls. Many troops are landing in Malaysia but it looks like Singapore MAY be at level 4 forts before the Japanese get there. If that happened I would be very happy indeed – the carnage would be delightful! I have a feeling the air attacks, when they begin, will be massive; the Japanese seem to want to base them out of Malaysia.

My tactic of beefing up the AVG with high skill pilots at Rangoon is working so far. Between a rotating LR CAP over Moulmein, and a British Buffalo squadron flying out of Moulmein, the unescorted Japanese bomber crews are taking a beating. I anticipate swarms of zeros soon, and I welcome them.

The British 18th Infantry Division is nearly done unloading at Oosthaven, well the elements of the division are, and I will be combining them shortly and moving to Palembang.

In the PI, the Allies are nearly all at Bataan now awaiting the Japanese. The Japanese have been hitting Clark Field with waves of bombers and fighters, and are now basically hitting an empty base. The few P-40’s left are at Bataan and are whittling at the Japanese bomber streams hitting Clark. They have yet to hit Bataan, which both confuses and delights me. Supplies on Bataan are 50K+. Not nearly so good as Singapore, but the Japanese seem to be concentrating more effort here.

Force Zulu gave the Japanese conquerors of Pontianak a warm welcome as they moved into their new digs:

Night Naval bombardment of Pontianak at 56,90

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales
BC Repulse
CA Houston
CL Boise
CL Mauritius
CL De Ruyter

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Manpower hits 11
Resources hits 7
Fires 4955
Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 33
Port hits 23
Port supply hits 7

BB Prince of Wales firing at Pontianak
BC Repulse firing at Pontianak
CA Houston firing at 2nd Recon Regiment
CL Boise firing at Pontianak
CL Mauritius firing at Pontianak
CL De Ruyter firing at Pontianak


I know it is probably just a lull, but the Japanese tempo seems to have reduced significantly. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop…..

The largest construction project in the Western Hemisphere is well under way an Umnak Island. Many engineers are digging at the frozen earth building an airfield. The pace is slow, but will speed up with spring; this is a long term operation.

Koepang is receiving its first reinforcements for Fortress Timor. I am running short of available units for the place, but the Yanks are coming…..


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I have spent some time looking over the map and I am a little confused about Japanese intentions.

1) Full court press in the P.I.
2) I don't see many troops in Malaysia, maybe enough to bottle me up in Singapore, but no where near enough troops to make a push for Singapore. Sure FOW is in effect, but I count a total of 9 LCU's scattered through Malaysia. It is almost Jan. 1, 42, and there hasn't been an airstrike on Singapore since Dec. 7th. He hasn't shown much effort in stopping supplies running into Singapore either. Sure, subs have sunk a couple, and a weak 1CL/8DD TF just darted in and sank a small freighter, but the supplies are rolling in.
3) Borneo Other than the north coast, he has done nothing else, although it looks like he intends to build up Kuching and Singkawang.
4) Since Tarawa and Rabaul, nothing has happened in the Central / Southwest Pacific, other than hordes of bulletproof submarines around Pearl and the West Coast.
5) China/Burma - I am beginning to suspect that his main effort is hidden in the jungles of Thailand, and of course his likelihood of rolling up China because of my poor decisions in the opening days. A sole LCU has appeared out of Thailand moving to that river hex just north of Moulmein. I suspect there is a lot behind it.

Bottom line: I am not seeing what I expect to be seeing.....
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Bottom line: I am not seeing what I expect to be seeing.....

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Prob Western Oz. It is about that time in the game...how is his progress in eastern DEI?

If you keep up with that FP, it will be an exciting game.

have you garrisoned Pearl so it isn't in play in the event he wildcards you?
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Prob Western Oz. It is about that time in the game...how is his progress in eastern DEI?

If you keep up with that FP, it will be an exciting game.

have you garrisoned Pearl so it isn't in play in the event he wildcards you?

His progress is slow throughout the DEI except the north coast of Borneo so I am ruling out Oz for now - he can't get there without me seeing him coming a long way away. Pearl has not been garrisonned, in fact I am pulling some out to send elsewhere - since I am not focusing on CENTPAC, Pearl is not as strategic for me as it might have been. My money is on India. But then again I haven't heard a peep from him in over a day.....

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1 January 1942
New Year’s Day


This update will be made over a series of posts with images.

Burma
The Japanese are dribbling units from the jungle and was hoping to cut off three LCU’s that were in Moulmein. The unit just north of Moulmein is a recon or small armored unit I believe. The other unit just “popped” out and don’t know what it is yet.

I have a CA TF going to Tavoy to bombard the base, and then retreat to Rangoon. At this time Tavoy is vacant, but I want to add to the airfield damage 8 B-17 refugees from the PI have been doing to it. It is only a matter of time before new residents arrive.

The newly reconstituted 1st Burma Div. is reinforcing the weak LCU’s currently at Pegu. After I get some recon on the Japanese across the river, I might hit them.

The AVG, based at Rangoon, have been encountering scattered Oscars while they escort some British bombers hitting the exposed Japanese troops. No significant Japanese airpower has yet appeared.

I have no intention of defending Rangoon, in fact I am not even building forts there, but I am maintaining my presence while sending supplies to the interior.


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Singapore
Forts are at 50%, and have 72,200 supply in the base. An AK loaded with 6200 supplies are unloading as we speak, but the ship has been spotted and will probably be attacked. Fortunately it is under air cover in Singapore. Last turn the 4 DD's escorting the SK through the submarine infested waters near the city was attacked by Zeros and Nells but sustained no hits.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G3M2 Nell x 26

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Paul Jones
DD Alden
DD Barker
DD Parrott

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 11000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb


I imagine tomorrow's attacks will come at lower altitude, but we will see. I have noticed a tendency on Skyros' part to "forget" to adjust or turn off attacks that should be tended to. More on his tendencies a little later.

12000 more supplies for Singapore are loading in Palembang at about 40% full. Depending on the coming air attacks at Singapore, these 2 ships may or may not be sent there.

The Japanese have 3 LCU's at Johore Bahru right now, and another 6 or so within a few hexes.

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DEI
The 18th British Division is FINALLY unloaded and reconstituted in Oosthaven with orders to board the trains and move to Palembang. Numerous TF's are enroute bearing supplies, engineers, and AA guns.

A couple of turns ago the Japanese ran a single CL and multiple DD TF to the coast of Sumatra on an interdiction run. They found a small AK heading to Singapore and made short work of it. Expecting a return engagement, I took several Dutch bombers out of training, and changed the British bombers from ground attack to naval attack. Sure enough, last turn the TF returned. This time it did not find any ships, but it did find a whole bunch of bombers. After numerous fruitless strikes on the TF, some Dutch Vildebeests hit the Naka with a 500 pounder.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Muntok at 49,89

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vildebeest III x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest III: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Asagumo
DD Harusame

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Vildebeest III bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Naka


Apparently it was hit hard enough to cause the Naka to split off from the TF. All of the bomber pilot in the region are licking their chops waiting for tomorrow. I don't have the heart to tell them that we expect Zeros from Singkawang to be flying top cover.

Speaking of Singkawang, Force Zulu is expected to hit the base this next turn. Actually that attack was supposed to hit it this turn but just sat there in the Java Sea trying to attract Nells. I am not sure why the attack did not take place - the commander has 70 aggressiveness. The only thing I could think of was that a four DD ASW TF was escorting Force Zulu preventing the attack from taking place; that TF now has orders to bombard Pontianak. Now here is the interesting thing: both of these TF's sat there all day in the Java Sea and were not spotted which leads me to believe that there is no search coverage there - it is all covering the waters leading to Singapore. This lack of search coverage is a nice segue' into MY OWN lack of air coverage.....

A Japanese TF has miraculously appeared due east of Soerabaja and is heading northwest into the Java Sea. Now for this TF to get there, it had to traverse a significant distance, from any direction, in waters under my control, but there was no warning at all. Yup, all of my search aircraft in the region were concentrated on Java. This has now been corrected. The thing that makes me a little nervous is that I have several TK's loading oil and fuel from Balikpapan - they are very vulnerable at this point.




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More updates later....
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The Philippines

As mentioned a couple of posts ago, I have noticed some tendencies of Skyros', and here is where I spotted one of them: He tends to set orders and not check on whether the situation deems changing them, for instance Clark has been all but abandoned for several turns now and is ripe for the taking, yet he continues to bomb the airfields there. All of my supply and fighter squadrons, or what is left of them, are in Bataan. Every turn pathetically few P-40's battle hordes of Japanese planes over Clark and shooting down planes - only the good pilots are left. The P-40's then land on the crater free runway of Bataan.

Bataan is forts 3 +49%, and has 42k supply and 2001 AV's.

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China

I am going to have a little fun here this next turn; let me explain:
The Japanese besieged Loyang, where I had 1800 AV's, several turns ago, and has been trying to sneak a unit onto the road behind the city to cut off the garrison. Now this hex it was moving to already had a few units in it left there to secure my line of retreat. Spotting the Japanese intent to isolate Loyang, all of the garrison but two units began to move out of the city. Two turns ago they made it to the road hex and were continuing up the road. Once the bulk of Loyang's garrison fled the city, the two rear-guard units were given orders to move also but are still a ways from the road hex. Now, to the casual observer, nothing on the map had changed: the city still had a garrison, and there were still troops behind the city, but now there are a whole bunch more than there were. Apparently Skyros did not notice and allowed the single Japanese unit to move into the midst of a Chinese horde. [:D]

Changsha, and its 2000 AV are in no danger from the besiegers at this time.



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While it's nice to not get cut off and liquidated in situ, you've also left any hope of fortification defenses behind at Loyang. Kind of a trade off. Expect the formerly Loyang crowd to get bombed to the stone age and attacked until forced to retreat.

There's some debate about which is worse for the Allied Chinese-getting the units destroyed (and respawn in Chungking at 1/3 strength) or repeated forced retreat with whittling down of the strength to 'ghost unit' status, but not killed outright.
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yet he continues to bomb the airfields there.

There are some good reasons to bomb the Clark airfields, even if there are no Allied planes present...
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The Philippines

As mentioned a couple of posts ago, I have noticed some tendencies of Skyros', and here is where I spotted one of them: He tends to set orders and not check on whether the situation deems changing them, for instance Clark has been all but abandoned for several turns now and is ripe for the taking, yet he continues to bomb the airfields there. All of my supply and fighter squadrons, or what is left of them, are in Bataan. Every turn pathetically few P-40's battle hordes of Japanese planes over Clark and shooting down planes - only the good pilots are left. The P-40's then land on the crater free runway of Bataan.

Bataan is forts 3 +49%, and has 42k supply and 2001 AV's.

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This isn't a good habit to get into for players on either side. As the Allies, it will hurt you. As the Japanese though...ouch. Japan already starts the game handicapped. They don't need any extra help making it worse.

Although I gather this is may be Skyros's first game as Japan, for your first game of AE you seem to be out-thinking and out-playing him on an almost regular basis. (I admit that having played original WitP helps a lot, but even so - good job by you in your return to the game, sir.)
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The Philippines

As mentioned a couple of posts ago, I have noticed some tendencies of Skyros', and here is where I spotted one of them: He tends to set orders and not check on whether the situation deems changing them, for instance Clark has been all but abandoned for several turns now and is ripe for the taking, yet he continues to bomb the airfields there. All of my supply and fighter squadrons, or what is left of them, are in Bataan. Every turn pathetically few P-40's battle hordes of Japanese planes over Clark and shooting down planes - only the good pilots are left. The P-40's then land on the crater free runway of Bataan.

Bataan is forts 3 +49%, and has 42k supply and 2001 AV's.

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This isn't a good habit to get into for players on either side. As the Allies, it will hurt you. As the Japanese though...ouch. Japan already starts the game handicapped. They don't need any extra help making it worse.

Although I gather this is may be Skyros's first game as Japan, for your first game of AE you seem to be out-thinking and out-playing him on an almost regular basis. (I admit that having played original WitP helps a lot, but even so - good job by you in your return to the game, sir.)


Thanks for the kind words. I believe I am playing better than I expected to be, I will admit. The old WitP experience is most definitely helping me, not to mention reading some AARs. Also, there are a couple of folks who have been giving me some good tips through PM's. You know who you are, and I really appreciate it.

I have a couple more updates to give, but they will have to wait a little bit before I can finish them. In the meantime, here is what Clark looks like:



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New Guinea / New Britain

The Japanese took Rabaul. They must have developed cloaking devices because I didn't see them coming until they were landing troops. Fortunately I had just flown off the last of the Big E fragments when it happened. I still have two planes at Fincschafen to get off; hopefully they will be "fixed" this turn so I can. I had to air transport some base force personnel to the base to get them fixed.

Port Moresby has 35k supply, is forts 2 +50%, and has 157 AV.

Skyros just sent me the turn so i am now officially done with this update. In his email he said "Things are picking up"

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It appears as if I got a little cocky! [X(]

I will update later, but 2 highlights are

1) Force Zulu is STILL sitting in the damned Java Sea, only they know it is there now. The 4 destroyers, formerly on ASW patrol, did hit their target....
2) Canton Island invaded and taken.


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2 January 1942
Houston, We Have a Problem


Let me start with the good news: The Japanese LCU that walked into a horde of Chinese WAS the 12th Tank Regiment. It was vaporized.

Ground combat at 86,43 (near Loyang)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 59032 troops, 328 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1506

Defending force 690 troops, 0 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Allied adjusted assault: 1457

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1457 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 161 (161 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
237 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
98th Chinese Corps
7th Chinese Corps
3rd Construction Regiment
40th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
5th New Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
80th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
Jingcha War Area
15th Chinese Corps
1st War Area
4th Chinese Base Force
39th Group Army
15th Group Army
24th Group Army
14th Group Army
36th Group Army
10th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
12th Tank Regiment


Well, now that we have the good news out of the way, lets get to the bad. First of all, the surprise guest in the lower Java Sea zigged when I thought he would zag. I sent a surface task force out to intercept them but totally missed the mark. The Japanese cruised right by Soerabaja and sliced into an AP task force loaded with engineers for Cocos Island. A few ships were sunk, others damaged.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Pamekasan at 58,106, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze

Allied Ships
xAP Glenorchy
xAP Boschfontein, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Poelau Telo
xAP Kota Gede, Shell hits 2, on fire
xAP Kota Radja, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Kota Pinang, Shell hits 1
xAP Camphuys, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Tjisaroea, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Pijnacker Hordijk, Shell hits 2
xAP Van Diemen, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Van Imhoff, Shell hits 1
xAP Van Landsberge, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Van Neck
xAP Van Overstraten, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAP Van Rees
PG Soerabaja, Shell hits 7

Allied ground losses:
379 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled


As I mentioned before, Canton Island was invaded and captured. I have learned my painful lesson about making sure my patrol aircraft are spread out.

And now for the REALLY bad news:

Afternoon Air attack on Brisbane , at 96,160

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43
B5N2 Kate x 114
D3A1 Val x 101


Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
D3A1 Val: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK Dardanus, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Beltana, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
AMc Tongkol, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Prusa, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Morazan, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Nevadan, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Bidelia, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 35
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2


According to sighting reports, the KB is moving southwest towards Sydney. What is completely awesome about that is that the Lexington, among others, are (were) doing pierside repair, so take a wild guess who is a sitting duck in Sydney. The only bright spot here is that sizable fragments from the Enterprise are training in Sydney. I quickly moved all of the planes from the Lexington to the airfield. Imagine my delight when I noticed none of them are ready to fly!

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