Engagement Stance

[Chris21wen]

Under Your Empire setting there is a stance setting called 'Engage nearby target'. How near is near? It seems that is is not the same range as the fleet range setting 'nearby systems'. But again how near is near for the fleet?

Can someone confirm that the stance setting in 'Your Empire Settings' results in your ship returning to this stance once they have executed some other order?

I assume that any fleet stance set overrides the 'Your Empire Settings' for any ship in a fleet. If this is incorrect could someone tell me how it works please.

One more question regarding stance.
For ships escorting does the setting 'Engage when attacked' apply to the escort and/or the ship being attacked?

[elanaagain]

Its too bad Matrix Games won't put out a document explaining how all these 'options' accessed in three very different places, actually work, and actually interact when attempting to get ships and fleets to act/behave. I am sure there is at least one person at Matrix Games that knows how it all fits together.

[Canute0]

'Engage nearby target' is the range when the Ship/fleet don't need to do hyperspeed.

When you click throw all the stances you notice they are coming in bigger range.
Target
Engage nearby target
System
Nearby systems
Region
Overall

For ships escorting does the setting 'Engage when attacked' apply to the escort and/or the ship being attacked?

Sorry don't know. But i know Escort is pointless. A ship can't be pulled out of hyperspeed or at last i don't saw any Pirate/AI doing this.

[Chris21wen]

ORIGINAL: Chris H

Can someone confirm that the stance setting in 'Your Empire Settings' results in your ship returning to this stance once they have executed some other order?

I assume that any fleet stance set overrides the 'Your Empire Settings' for any ship in a fleet. If this is incorrect could someone tell me how it works please.

One more question regarding stance.
For ships escorting does the setting 'Engage when attacked' apply to the escort and/or the ship being attacked?

Anybody know the ansewers?

[feelotraveller]

1. Yes ships adopt the default engagement stance as set in Your empire settings when they get a new mission/order.

2. Giving a fleet an order gives all ships of that fleet that order, but if you give individual ships orders after they carry out their own orders first and then revert to the fleet order if it still standing.

3. No idea. I generally used 'engage nearby targets' and that seemed to work well. Been a long while since I used an escort order though...

[Chris21wen]

ORIGINAL: feelotraveller

1. Yes ships adopt the default engagement stance as set in Your empire settings when they get a new mission/order.

2. Giving a fleet an order gives all ships of that fleet that order, but if you give individual ships orders after they carry out their own orders first and then revert to the fleet order if it still standing.

3. No idea. I generally used 'engage nearby targets' and that seemed to work well. Been a long while since I used an escort order though...

Thanks

[LibertyNJ]

Here's my understanding of how it works.

The "engagement stances" in Your Empire Settings are a different thing from from "fleet stances."

When you set ships or fleets on automate without utilizing "fleet stances," they will follow the auto settings in the "Empire Settings" menu. When you control they are not automated, they follow the manual settings.

When fleets are automated and using "fleet stances," they should target and engage anything within their indicated zones on the map, or everywhere if they're set to do that. Anytime something comes under threat within the defense zone of a fleet, it should respond and engage the aggressors. Whenever there is a known enemy target within the attack zone of a fleet, it should engage and attempt to destroy it. I'm under the impression that the attack stance only kicks if you are officially at war with a faction, so it doesn't work on pirates since you can't be in a state of war with them. Also, keep in mind you need to give them a home base for defense stances or an attack target (the button on the stance UI, not a manual attack order) for attack stances for these to work too.

I have seen my fleets jump around a system destroying other pirate assets after taking out one target if I switch them to automated after giving them an initial manual attack order, but they may just be going to their default auto "engagement stance" of "engage system targets." I could be wrong about this though.

Patrol and Escort orders, just determine where your fleet or ships will place themselves. If they're escorting a ship, they'll stay with that target until you tell them otherwise or they need to refuel/etc... If they're patrolling a location they will orbit it until they need to refuel/etc... The engagement stance is always in relation to the ship or fleet that has the order, not the target. So, "engage when attacked" while escorting means that the ship or fleet will only return fire if the ship or fleet doing the escorting is attacked, not their escort target.

Lastly, this is all with fleet formation in the empire policies set to manual. I can't speak for what the logic is when that is set to automated. (I have theories, but...) My ships frequently disobey me in that situation.