TF's with LST's in them change Type of TF

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TF's with LST's in them change Type of TF

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It seems when I put a LST or LCI into an Amphib TF the type of TF changes to a Landing Craft TF automatically. I have to manually change the TF type back to Ampib to add ships, and even then it changes back to a Landing Craft TF!! Any one else seen this? This a known bug?
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I wouldn't call this a bug or a tech support issue IMO. The type is largely superfluous as long as the TF unloads where you want it to. To get "incompatible" ships together use escort mission just to get them all from point A to B. You shouldn't really need to add ships more than once or twice anyway. Alway consider though that joining these different ship types will slow the TF to the slowest speed and many of the ships will be using fuel inefficiently. If you don't have enough escorts for multiple TFs you have no choice. If you do, consider (in the case of an amphibious assault) Giving the different TFs a common rendesvous point near the target, then sending them in together.

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If an Amphibious TF is automatically changed to Landing Craft it is because the TF has no "pure" standoff amphibious ships. That is, no APA or AKA. If the amphibious ships in the TF are all beaching craft (like LST) or special purpose landiung craft ships (like LSD), or appropriate escorts, the TF will change to landing craft.

The check for appropriate TF mission is done to ensure that the mission is still correct should ship additions or removals (or sinkings) have occurred. You will most likely see it when loss of a ship prohibits the TF from fulfilling its original mission. Loss of the last carrier in an air combat TF, for instance.
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Don, would you advise that LSTs not be mixed with APA/AKAs? Is there a downside as far as unloading when you do that?

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Don, would you advise that LSTs not be mixed with APA/AKAs? Is there a downside as far as unloading when you do that?

No, not at all. LSTs can easily mix with APA/AKA with no penalties. LST will beach and unload quickly in all circumstances.
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The point I was making was that I set the TF to amphib but it changes while I am off doing my turn around the map. I'll have to check but I think I had a AP in the TF but let me check it. I know I had DD's in the LC TF but when you make a LC TF DD's addition are not an option.
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Ok, here's a TF I loaded at Brisbane. I assigned it an Amphib TF ... but it keep changing while I completed that turn. Meaning I changed it back to Amphib went over to India and worked my turn came back and it was an LC TF. Here it is half way across the Coral Sea back to a LC TF with AP's in it. Oh, and that 181st unit is fragmented some was left in Brisbane. Even though I made sure the the unit had completely loaded before I assigned a destination. The fragmented unit appeared after the TF had sailed. But that is another nagging problem.

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A quick look at the code says this should not happen. xAP are not allowed in Landing Craft TFs. Combined with your other issues, I fear you may have a damaged game. Michael will have to chime in on possible actions.
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I just download the new patch ... May 17th or 19th 2013 ... So I did it? Just how may I ask?
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I just download the new patch ... May 17th or 19th 2013 ... So I did it? Just how may I ask?

Damage could occur for many reasons. It could be because turns were played with an earlier version that had a problem. Could even be some disk issue during save. Or you could have pissed off the gods of computing. In any event the significant number of aberrations you report seems to point to damaged data.
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Oh, this happened before the May 19th Patch.
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