Killer Tank of the 80's

[Hexagon]

Thanks for the clarification about AD.

I dont know how is the game and if it has more parameters apart these... but i feel a little "strange" when see this values, of course T-80U armor was good but i feel that Leo2, M1 and Challenger have weaker armor and worst firepower... but again, things like unit experience can change this.... a very important area in a game like this.

[sapper32]

Challenger for me good all round tank,high speed not to important in a built up Germany,good gun and well trained crew which has got to be the vital ingrediant.

Ian

[Mad Russian]

It's interesting the German reliance on speed for a tank and the British attitude of speed being the least important thing a tank needs.

Not saying who is right or wrong just interesting what the different camps believe.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Richie61]

Not trying to start a battle here, but I thought that the US measures their armor different from others.

Protection levels for US MBT's are larger than usually quoted because the US standard is for a 30 degrees oblique shot.

[CapnDarwin]

Richie,

That is why we look at data from various sources that rate the armors on a standard setup. That eliminates the bias you are talking about. Same thing is done for gun pen values too. Never trust the marketing specs from the vendor. [:D]

[jack54]

The stats of the T-80 are very impressive, (suprisingly so imho). my reason for not voting for it is the 'offensive role' it will play... they will probably die in bunches. I would have thought by '89 that the Leo would be the upgraded A4 but I will bow to your research... so I voted Abrams because of the gun... and what I believe will be an excellent fire control system. (I am, however, not 'convinced'.)LOL


Ps: alas, I cannot register my vote in the poll.... I was too Late!

[Hexagon]

Yep, is unfair use the A1 version and not A4 with at least same gun as Abrams and better protection... but something i see now... why T-80U has only 80 points??? maybe 90-100 is better no??? i supose that T-72 and T-64 are the soviet main forces... what are their value???

[CapnDarwin]

Guys, I would not get too wrapped up in these values and versions selected. There are a good number of tanks in the game including the versions you mentioned. The idea was to get folks talking about tanks of the time frame and see which ones people liked.

[jack54]

Thanks Capn Darwin, good to know, I was also very happy to learn that there are other ratings not seen on the ratings cards such optics, stablization systems. Very good stuff!....

Correct me if I'm wrong but
As far as point values I would assume they represent availability as well as quality... so a lower point value for T-80 may
also indicate that there are more of them; not necessarily a poorer tactical ability.

thanks

waiting ... aaaa 'patiently' lol
Jack

[CapnDarwin]

The points show are our Victory Point calculation based on the weapon systems and platform parameters and equipment. The higher the value the more lethal the platform. The calculation is done in code as a anti-cheat measure, but there is a setting in each national data file that is used to adjust the value to reflect overall equipment quality.

Probably more than you wanted to hear. [:D]

[Hexagon]

Well, in the "crude" stats for a tank (armor, penetration, movility) T-80U is competitive... other question is protection (here you have armor quality, vulneravility to critical blow ups, other defenses...) firepower (accurancy, fighting range, ammo quality, doctrine/training) and of course how is crew performance, i dont know if you cover the quality in west designs for crew confort could be great see them earning less fatige than soviet crews.

PD: maybe you can create a post to show the hardware in game and coment more about game parameters [8D]

[CapnDarwin]

You are reading my mind. I plan to start posting a "Behind the Numbers" thread to do a show and tell about various aspects of the combat mechanics we use. Hopefully it will be interesting to some folks. [8D]

[Hexagon]

Nice, maybe could be interesting take some guinean pigs to compare them... something like T-80U VS Leo2/M1/Challenger and T-72/T-64 VS M60/LeoI/Chieftain

And about my read mind powers... "The Truth is Out There"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMhMwGuCU3s

[jack54]

ORIGINAL: Capn Darwin

You are reading my mind. I plan to start posting a "Behind the Numbers" thread to do a show and tell about various aspects of the combat mechanics we use. Hopefully it will be interesting to some folks. [8D]

I believe I would enjoy that thread... [:)]

[bboyer66_slith]

Just curious if the M1A1HA with its depleted uranium armor will be modeled in the game.
These was the variant of M1 that I was a crewman in (1989-1993 3-64 Armored BN 3rd ID Schweinfurt)

[CapnDarwin]

Bboyer66,
It is in the game.

[Mad Russian]

It's not only available in the game, some of the 3rd Armored Division scenarios use it. [:D]

Good Hunting.

MR