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Some more pics showing the rest of the front please as well as closeups for those of us with poor eyes.
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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Some more pics showing the rest of the front please as well as closeups for those of us with poor eyes.

Ok, will make some next turn as I am poor at remembering to make a "pre-end turn"-save.
*edit* but a quick summary;
-I pushed one hex out of Riga this turn
-I pushed the USSR back one hex pretty much all over the south front
-the USSR is shifting units from the north and south to cover Moscow


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What you need to try and do is increase the distance between the pocket and the outside. That means attacking to the East.
The pocket itself can be held pretty easily on the inside (ie. facing the surrounded troops). On the outside, you need to push and create space. That's where you need the best and most troops.

Nice work!

Although I agree in theory, in reality I simply do not have the CV needed in my panzer/mechs topush east atm. Untill I get inf into the ring, I cannot push east.


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It will probably mean you will need to strip forces away from elsewere and temporarily have to accept some risks elsewhere too. The key ingredient is reinforcing the panzers with infantry. Take a look at your line, is there anywhere you could do with less in order to reinforce the point of decision? I am sure you can...
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Ah, nice job. It's in the "pocket" now [;)]
Now I'd recommend you take out the panzers, put them on rails in woods or swaps. Rest/refit & look for new opportunities.
It will drive the Russian player mad when he doesn't have a clue where the panzers are!
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I would strike very hard against orel / tule when the pocket is done with all the panzers. He will be forced to reinforce moscow south alot and then u can strike to SE and make another huge pocket of hes central/ south fronts.

Terje u have huge armys in the swamp. U need to correct that and march/ train those to needed areas before summer campaign is over and mud hits.
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ORIGINAL: juret

I would strike very hard against orel / tule when the pocket is done with all the panzers. He will be forced to reinforce moscow south alot and then u can strike to SE and make another huge pocket of hes central/ south fronts.

Well played Terje and nicely done with the giant pocket.

Like Juret I feel the need to pitch in but would rather suggest you aim to get the russians out of the baltics as that would shorten your frontline. Striking north from the area just east of Vitebsk (towards Velikie Luki) should put some pressure on Brad and will likely force him to withdraw his entire baltic army or run the risk of another huge pocket.

Remember that part of the game is "psychological warfare" and he is likely not eager to risk losing another major chunk of his army.

If you do it decisively enough there should still be enough time for another strike elsewhere.
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Thrust me Terje, yes you can!
It will probably mean you will need to strip forces away from elsewere and temporarily have to accept some risks elsewhere too. The key ingredient is reinforcing the panzers with infantry. Take a look at your line, is there anywhere you could do with less in order to reinforce the point of decision? I am sure you can...

Hehe things change quickly [:)]
At the time I did not have the strength to lash out east, but as the pocket grew smaller, more infantry was freed up, and less units was needed to hold the line, so now I did indeed push a little towards the east.
That being said, my panzers are in desperate need of a rest, but I will keep going if the siutation allows it.


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ORIGINAL: glvaca

Ah, nice job. It's in the "pocket" now [;)]
Now I'd recommend you take out the panzers, put them on rails in woods or swaps. Rest/refit & look for new opportunities.
It will drive the Russian player mad when he doesn't have a clue where the panzers are!

Noy just yet tbh, my panzers still have the chance to cut off some more guards divisions and a cav corps or two atm, so they will try to do so before they are rerouted. I might however put all up-to-strength(ish) panzer in one panzer army, and rotate the others to the other two panzer armies to rest.


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ORIGINAL: juret

I would strike very hard against orel / tule when the pocket is done with all the panzers. He will be forced to reinforce moscow south alot and then u can strike to SE and make another huge pocket of hes central/ south fronts.

Terje u have huge armys in the swamp. U need to correct that and march/ train those to needed areas before summer campaign is over and mud hits.

The thing that favours this is ofc that the south is the best place for the panzers, but I am not sure yet. Going north has its advantages too.
If I did not have those units in the swamp, the pocket would not be what it was. The presence (and being unable to dislodge the USSR) was part of why the pocket came into being. I would have done the same again tbh.

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ORIGINAL: mevstedt

Well played Terje and nicely done with the giant pocket.

Like Juret I feel the need to pitch in but would rather suggest you aim to get the russians out of the baltics as that would shorten your frontline. Striking north from the area just east of Vitebsk (towards Velikie Luki) should put some pressure on Brad and will likely force him to withdraw his entire baltic army or run the risk of another huge pocket.

Remember that part of the game is "psychological warfare" and he is likely not eager to risk losing another major chunk of his army.

If you do it decisively enough there should still be enough time for another strike elsewhere.

The + side with going north is as you state, it threathens his Baltic armies, and it puts pressure on LG, which might have allowed me to free the Fins for once.
The - side is the terrain in the north. It is not ideal for panzers.

Not quite decided if I will strike N, E or S yet.


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Turn 58

Overall
We keep reducing the pocket, but we also take the oppertunity to create a few small new ones. There seems to be an oppertunity towards the north at the moment as my infantry force the river defences. It does however require me to get infantry in to relieve the panzers towards Moscow. I doubt I can bring them in fast enough due to the lack of a proper railroad. The Luftwaffe is complaining about their supply situation as well, and they aborted alot of support missions this turn due to lack of fuel and bombs. The ground units ignored the whining of the LW though, and made 154 attacks this turn. The end result was 8 helds, 87 retreats, 9 routs, 1 shatter and 49 surrenders.

USSR units in pockets at start of turn
137 spotted, more were in there.

USSR units in pockets at end of turn
100 spotted.

Losses
USSR : 413.000 troops, 5.447 guns, 386 AFVs, 165 AC.
Axis : 47.000 troops, 376 guns, 86 AFVs, 82 AC.

USSR units lost
33 rifle divisions, 2 guards rifle divisions, 8 tank brigades, 22 rifle brigades (500 AP).

Partisans hunted down
8. Really annoying now.

German pools
Manpower : 509
Vehicles : 206.546
Armaments : 134.722
Hiwi : 9




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Heading south



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More front



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Almost there




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Two more after this



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Soon now



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Finally



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