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Is it worth it as the Allies to use shipping to send resources for the industry at Hawaii? In my previous games I never bothered because the continental US produces hundreds of thousands of supply a month and I use mega 100 ship convoys to PH and Sydney.

I am not a economy expert. Assuming I can keep PH fully supplied with resources, how much supply can it produce on it's own? And how much resource and oil does it need a month to keep it's industry at 100%?

The Allies are not exactly lacking AK's or escorts. But I had always assumed that why not just use them to ship the finished product if you have it?

But I am always willing to change my playing style if it will improve my chances.
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I get a couple of AKL into a CS convoy and draw on the resources at Hilo.

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I get a couple of AKL into a CS convoy and draw on the resources at Hilo.

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I am in the 3rd year of my campaign as the Allies. I think I sent some fuel to Oz in the first six months of the war but am not really sure if it was necessary. Basically, the Allies are swimming in fuel and supply and the means to move it. I found little reason to even look at Allied production. So I would say do not bother.
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Resources pile up at Seward & Juneau with no place to go, i ship
those to Oahu.

Aukland seems to need resource input as well,this comes from Noumea
& Tasmania,which seem to have excess.

Big amount of resources will pile up at Port Hedland,i ship this
to Perth.

If you have light industry, keep it busy,what good are resources by
themselves? The allies have plenty of AK's to move this stuff around.

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Really, the only thing you need to do with the Allied industry is go into the industry management screen and turn off the Heavy Industry. It does nothing for you, except consume fuel. This can be especially bothersome if you're trying to use Sydney for a naval base at all, like I was for a time...
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In addition to using Hilo, I use a couple of non descript xAKLs to ship resources from the 300 point resource center at Coos Bay, Oregon to Oahu. Somebody there can use the timber I'm sure. [:D]
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There are lots of short-legged xAKL which the Allies have; put them to use.

As mentioned, set up some CS routes Hilo -> PH, Tasmania -> Auckland, Port Hedland -> Perth, etc.

Nice thing with CS is you set them up and forget about them. You never miss a turn of the TF moving or loading/unlaoding, they will always run, all the time, everyday, no down time.
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Interesting discourse, thanks. The only red flag I've had as playing the allies is running out of Oil in Melbourne. Not sure why Hawaii would have a problem....
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Oil is not the problem in Hawaii, no refinery. But PH does not have enough resources to run it's own Resource Centers.
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Interesting discourse, thanks. The only red flag I've had as playing the allies is running out of Oil in Melbourne. Not sure why Hawaii would have a problem....

On that issue, I am perhaps a bit confused. Assuming the DEI is lost, the only way you're going to get oil to Melbourne is from the US. It can't be more efficient to ship oil to Melbourne than it is to ship refined fuel given that LA's refinery capacity is for all intents and purposes, unlimited.

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It's not effecient to ship oil. The Aussie refinery was basicly shut down for the war.

The only spare allied oil after DEI goes down is 50/day in Abadan. Not worthwhile to move. Grab the fuel instead.
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You "Should" however keep PH topped up with both fuel and supplies ready for launching offensive op's in the South/SW Pac areas and for the Central Pac once enough strength in both Air and Land Units becomes available. Otherwise it's a very long haul from the West Coast. Luganville I find is a good staging base for initial op's (Solomons in particular) once built up and can also handle a good amount of supplies and fuel
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You "Should" however keep PH topped up with both fuel and supplies ready for launching offensive op's in the South/SW Pac areas and for the Central Pac once enough strength in both Air and Land Units becomes available. Otherwise it's a very long haul from the West Coast. Luganville I find is a good staging base for initial op's (Solomons in particular) once built up and can also handle a good amount of supplies and fuel


Oh I keep PH jammed with supply. In past games I have actually 'broken' the game and shipped in so much material that I breached the game code and the total supply number actually reverted into negative numbers.
I almost did the same with Sydney. Those are my main supply hubs. SF/LA to PH and Sydney and then from there to my web of bases. Once I take Manila late in the war that becomes my new main FOW.
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OK, I am going to try again. Why ship oil or resources when you have more supply and fuel than you will ever need? Just ship fuel and supplies. Why on earth would you want to duplicate your effort and complicate something that should be so simple?
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OK, I am going to try again. Why ship oil or resources when you have more supply and fuel than you will ever need? Just ship fuel and supplies. Why on earth would you want to duplicate your effort and complicate something that should be so simple?

I would agree 100% on oil. Resources I think still makes sense in a couple of cases (Hilo-PH, Tas-Mel or Suva to Aukland) where you can move resouces over a short distance to Industry locations that can create additional supply, right at a forwad base, much closer than shipping from CONUS. In effect, a handful of AKLs at those locations generates as much supply at the forward area as several dozen long-haul xAKs.
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I get a couple of AKL into a CS convoy and draw on the resources at Hilo.


So do I.

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Resources pile up at Seward & Juneau with no place to go, i ship
those to Oahu.

Aukland seems to need resource input as well,this comes from Noumea
& Tasmania,which seem to have excess.

Big amount of resources will pile up at Port Hedland,i ship this
to Perth.

If you have light industry, keep it busy,what good are resources by
themselves? The allies have plenty of AK's to move this stuff around.

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OK, I am going to try again. Why ship oil or resources when you have more supply and fuel than you will ever need? Just ship fuel and supplies. Why on earth would you want to duplicate your effort and complicate something that should be so simple?

I would agree 100% on oil. Resources I think still makes sense in a couple of cases (Hilo-PH, Tas-Mel or Suva to Aukland) where you can move resouces over a short distance to Industry locations that can create additional supply, right at a forwad base, much closer than shipping from CONUS. In effect, a handful of AKLs at those locations generates as much supply at the forward area as several dozen long-haul xAKs.

You have to burn fuel for your HI to produce supply. In the early going in the South Pacific, fuel is scarcer than supply. You have tons of supply on the west coast, and a surplus of cargo shipping. I can't see the logic in burning fuel to make something you have plenty of. If you need more supply in OZ (unlikely) you can dump some fuel in Perth in early 1942. But quite frankly, you need the fuel for your ships in early 1942. But I can't see the logic in moving resources. I have played a hot and heavy campaign as the Allies and have not moved a single resource or drop of oil. I have plenty of supply and fuel everywhere. I am swimming in the stuff.

That said, unless you have had a total disaster you have more ships than you need. If you want to ship resources and oil to production centers just for the grins of it, then by all means.

The only point that I have is that as the Allies you just do not need to look at production at all. Perhaps turn it off in OZ-or not. I never did and have had no problems.
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The oil does make sense to not ship, but certain resources are close enough to recousrce centers that are starving.

Why not ship resources from Hilo to PH, which is like, what, 5 hexes away? A lot less fuel to ship it those 5 hexes to generate supplies then shipping all the way from the WC. Same with Tas to Auck, N. Oz to Perth. Better to ship resources a short distance than across the vast pacific ocean to generate those supplies.

A follow up question..... Is there a point where the Allies' LI and HI can be too much? Producting too much LI/HI which can not even be used?
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