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ah good then, so surprise will be complete <JFB, evil laugh>[:D]
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PS to hedge our bets we have 17th Army HQ prepped for Liuchow. Figured that was pretty safe.
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PS to hedge our bets we have 17th Army HQ prepped for Liuchow. Figured that was pretty safe.

One piece of information is preping for the attack. But the AFB gets stationed at data, moving data points, radio signals .. so with enough work the story can be put together ...Every once in awhile the game gives information on moving units when you load them on ships and that to me is the ultimate in information that completes a story ..
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I'll post some info on our convoy system in our AAR... too many prying eye here :)

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I'll post some info on our convoy system in our AAR... too many prying eye here :)

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PS to hedge our bets we have 17th Army HQ prepped for Liuchow. Figured that was pretty safe.

One piece of information is preping for the attack. But the AFB gets stationed at data, moving data points, radio signals .. so with enough work the story can be put together ...Every once in awhile the game gives information on moving units when you load them on ships and that to me is the ultimate in information that completes a story ..

True, but IIRC most of the shipping data is designed to simulate intercepts of port master traffic and is keyed to the selected designation and home port at the time of launch. Thus, I routinely have different homeports and select mid-ocean destinations as we leave the embarkation port. CF may have gotten "2nd Division is on xAP Mexico Maru bound for hex blah" in the Java Sea or bound for Singapore, the selected home port at the time of launch. It is still possible to get mid-ocean intel, but we're doing our best to minimize it.

Another element was that from turn one we've reconned the south China bases in a circuit, ie in the same exact order. It's become routine but allowed us to keep tabs on bases and confirm CF hasn't reacted yet (and it's probably too late now). Finally, all the central China stuff served both the strategic purpose of having him put a lot of troops into the sack but also the operational purpose of making it look like south China was a backwater.
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No game update as we're out at the lake house with family, but just a little comment after an ugly but glorious football game:

HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!!!!

For the record, I deeply regret that this could be the end of the UT/A&M rivalry. I hope cooler heads prevail over egos and we figure out a way to schedule it.

PS - to give an idea of the importance of football in Texas, the Legislature seriously considered passing a law to force the schools to keep playing one another (both are state schools, so such a law would be very possible).
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Finaly I catched up. Awesome AAR as always. And a BIG \o/ for your newborn.

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Hooray - GZ is back! Awesome to hear from you and welcome aboard.
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June 17, 1942

The last quiet turn passes as we get back to action after CF took a few extra days to digest Turkey. [;)]

Subs

We sail an I-boat into the Umnak Island hex after a TF spotted there. The enemy is still present but no attacks.

4th Fleet

Tarawa makes level 2 forts.

SE Fleet

MKB will arrive at Babeldoab and begin refitting tomorrow.

Milne Bay makes level 3 forts.

14th Army

Tagbilaran invaded.

16th Army

We continue to exact a frightful cost for the enemy keeping his armored stack a few hexes south of Daly. Not sure why CF is opting to take a pounding here rather than pull back a bit. Stiff upper lip, I suppose.

25th Army

Cocos Islands are invaded and fall to a base force.

15th Army

Waiting on the moon to enact an air/sea attack on the enemy airfield at Chittagong.

China

It begins. Today, 2 armored regiments move into the hex SE of Wuchow (map), and are presumably noticed by the enemy. They will bypass the city and head for Kweilin, which will soon come under airborn assault. Most of the infantry will enter this hex soon and then capture Wuchow.
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June 18, 1942

Subs

I-29 penetrates the harbor at Umnak Island and torpedoes an xAK with troops aboard. Several squads are destroyed (probably SeeBees) but she doesn't sink. An escorting DD takes advantage of the shallow water to score a nasty penetrating hit (61 Flot), so I-29 will pump out in the Japanese Aleutians and then head home.

IJN escorts chase Shark away from a small tanker convoy hauling Oil from Medan.

4th Fleet

Marcus makes level 3 forts.

SE Fleet

Merauke is at 1.89 airfield. As soon as it hits level 2 we will give CF's B-17s over Horn Island about 30 Nicks to play with.

MKB arrives at Babel and begins a period of R&R. We also unite with CV Hiyo and BB Yamato there (although Yamato will be used in another task force, the super-BB will hitch a ride with MKB to Truk).

14th Army

About to finish off the last central PI bases.

16th Army

No change.

25th Army

Pakanbaroe occupied. Only Padang is left on Sumatra proper.

15th Army

Planning continues for Operation Barracuda, the air and naval assault on the enemy's massed Hurricanes at Chittagong. We will use subs to determine CF's air search limits (if any), then hit the base with an LCTF to clear PTs, followed by a fast bombardment force. At dawn, two Zero groups will sweep, followed by IJAAF bombers. Moon is currently 32%, we will await at least 70%.

China

We are marching on Wuchow and Kweilin in force. Today is D minus 2 for an airborne assault on Kweilin designed to cut the rail line rather than take the base. Today our main army moved adjacent to Wuchow, so CF should begin to react tomorrow. The northern pincer forces will be in place tomorrow and jump off the LoD for their objective the next day. In the central front all is confusion, which is ideal.

5th Fleet

Cribtop HQ orders a detailed study of defensive requirements for the Kuriles and Hokkaido based on a disturbing report from the Fringe Division about some dude named GreyJoy. See GreyJoy's AAR for my tongue in cheek writeup on this.

Seriously, in Scenario 1 it will be a challenge to scrape up the ground forces needed prior to the reinforcements due in late 43 and 44. For the moment we will increase picket ships and air search, but this topic will require some serious staff time. Not that CF can do much in 1942 about the northern approach, especially because we control the western Aleutians, but no one can read the last few pages of GJ's AAR without considering the implications.
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June 18, 1942

If CF has any doubt we are up to something in Southern China, tomorrow his doubts will be erased.

Subs

Getting close to launching a variety of similar boats as wolfpacks to swarm various targets. I-28, with its hand-picked search and recon trained Glen pilot, commences Operation Barracuda by leaving Singapore. SCTFs leave port tomorrow.

Snapper duds on a DD near Babar.

4th Fleet

No change.

SE Fleet

MKB's air groups are checked over and found to have not lost a single pilot since Singapore. Nice.

Tomorrow Meruake hits level 2 airfield. The Nick group moves in today and is warming up their engines.

We are using Mavis transports to withdraw a small SNLF Company from Ndeni to bolster the Tulagi garrison.

14th Army

No change.

16th Army

Waingapoe occupied.

25th Army

No change.

15th Army

Engineers offloaded at Rangoon board trains for bases to be improved.

China

Tomorrow we will hit Kweilin with bombers and drop paratroopers. We do not expect to take the base as the unit is small (it was originally intended to drop adjusted AV by half until Mike Solli advised us that halving doesn't occur). Intention is to occupy the hex and prevent CF from using the rail line to ship reinforcements from the central front for as long as possible.

The northern pincer of Red Dragon begins its offensive as scheduled.

Other

BB California is off the sunk list. Based on the good advice of our readers, we locate all combat engineers in Manchuria and order them to move to Port Arthur by rail. They will be bought out and used on the perimeter.

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Cribtop HQ orders a detailed study of defensive requirements for the Kuriles and Hokkaido based on a disturbing report from the Fringe Division about some dude named GreyJoy. See GreyJoy's AAR for my tongue in cheek writeup on this.


The Kuriles and Hokkaido are at the mercy of the Allied player in the first half of 1942 in scenarios 1 and 2. The Kuriles especially are wide open to invasion. There are no developed airfields and no troops.

The major problem is the restricted land units in the Home Islands cannot be used for defence of the Kuriles and you cannot send restricted troops to or from Hokkaido via ship. You can airlift troops to Hokkaido only (it is attached to the General Defence) but any equipment too large to be airlifted will be left behind. That means no movement of CD units, construction units with heavy equipment, armor, large caliber artillary, etc, etc, etc... And if you think you will just simply reassign the Kurile bases to the General Defense HQ, try again. The bases are permanently assigned to the 5th Fleet HQ.

You can move land units from Manchuria but you do have to pay PP points. You can also take them from your Philippine and Malayan invasion forces but then you weaken those efforts. You could take them from the 4th fleet but again only at the cost of severely delaying the expansion of your perimeter or by weakening yourself in crtitcal areas.

The same problem exists with air units. Float planes and sea-based search aircraft can operate from the Kuriles if you bring an AV or CS along. All of the bases in the Kuriles start without airfields and without troops of any kind. Once you do build airbases in the Kuriles, finding the aircraft to man them won't be easy. Most of the air units that are readily available are restricted to the Home Islands so you must get them from other theaters.

CanoeRebel easily invaded the northern most 2 Kurile islands and I was powerless to stop him from building those bases up. Once I did get bases built, I was able to largely isolate them from most resupply efforts. Some still do get through though. And I cannot stop him from reinforcing his airforces on the islands. I swwep them often to keep them down to manageable levels. I find that this also trains nugget pilots much faaster than normal training does. I am able to cull the survivors and place them in other units. I lose a lot of pilots and planes but overall its worth the effort.

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Chez, those are interesting observations. However, having played the Allies a few times, I have a different prespective. You note that the Japanese are vulnerable in the Kuriles in the first half of 1942.

Hummm, I guess I don't disagree, but I also know how hard it is for the Allies to scrape up the troops to invade the Kuriles that early while trying to defend some important real estate.. Never mind the Japanese carriers and the threat they present. Even taking KB out of the picture, assuming it is known to be far away bashing Ceylon or some such, the Allies just don't have much available to go take those islands. But, even if they do, what do they get.....islands without bases...just like the Japanese. So, they are faced with the same dilema as the Japanese there. While the Allies can do it and can scrape up the troops and construction units to build the bases, it will be slow going. The invasion isn't practical until the Spring of 42. So, the Japanese have that long to put a rudimentary force in place. It can be done in that time period, but it would never be my route of choice until, at least, after mid 42. And, of course, the KB and friends might just decide to go take them back. In 1942, its a good bet the Allies would lose the entire invasion force if the Japanese really wanted those islands back.
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Basing Restricted air units in the Kuriles - Here's how

1) Pay PP to buy out a small AA gun unit (use 5th Fleet).
2) Transport small AA to a base in Kuriles
3) You need have an unit with the Command you want to change the base to present. Thus, pay PP to change AA unit back to "General Defense."
4) Now you can pay the PP to change the base to "General Defense."

I used the 51st BF at Etorofu and now I can send my Restricted air units at this base for defense of the rest of the Kuriles. Nice to get some Nells up there with Zeros as escorts. [:)]
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Basing Restricted air units in the Kuriles - Here's how

1) Pay PP to buy out a small AA gun unit (use 5th Fleet).
2) Transport small AA to a base in Kuriles
3) You need have an unit with the Command you want to change the base to present. Thus, pay PP to change AA unit back to "General Defense."
4) Now you can pay the PP to change the base to "General Defense."

I used the 51st BF at Etorofu and now I can send my Restricted air units at this base for defense of the rest of the Kuriles. Nice to get some Nells up there with Zeros as escorts. [:)]
Very true, you can also use an airfield unit from the 11 flottila, they are attached to general defense. Airlift the HQ and Hokkaido is uh hot like Cribtop says.

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Great discussion and a very useful trick, nygiants! I have so far deployed the limited ground reinforcements that come for 5th Fleet and put a few base forces into PJ, Shimushiri and Etoforu. Toyohara and the other Sakhalin base are also garrisoned. All these bases are at roughly airfield level 2 and forts 3 and digging.

Still, use of the method described is very handy to get more a/c and troops into place. Thanks for the tip. Also, I don't see this as remotely gamey as Japan considered the Kuriles part of the Home Islands so I see no issue with moving General Defense troops there from a realism standpoint.
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You can move Restricted air groups to Formosa, but not the Kuriles. WTF!?!

OT - We can talk now, because a week from today one of us my not be very friendly after Sunday night's game. [:D]
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And we are both depressed after yesterday. [8|]
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It was quite a miserable weekend for Georgia folks too.&nbsp; First, the Dawgs got clobbered by LSU.&nbsp; Then the Falcons, which ought to be hitting their stride now (decent team with a veteran quarterback), look flat against the Texans and lose (this following&nbsp;tepid performances against the woeful Vikings and Colts).&nbsp; When your veteran team is playing tepidly in December, you know it doesn't have any long-term prospects for success.
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