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RE: Matrix games on Steam?

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Take in to account also that Steam take 30%

The games Steam sell are digital products.
Those products are already made,...so no large cost for development.
Selling a digital product after it has been created/finished/patched costs next to nothing, since their is no physical storage, shipping and no production/development required.
These facts mean that 30% of a few sales is almost all profit, while 100% of nothing is always nothing.
This is also the reason why some are miffed about prices rarely going down. Getting many more sales at a reduced price (and mostly profit) is better than not getting the sales because the price is never reduced.

But part of the problem is that once you get on steam, many people will expect all your future games to show up too. Lets say you finally get Steam to accept wargame X. Its an amazing game that garnered awards up the yinyang.It shows up on steam at a low price(let's say 19.99) Few bite, maybe a 1k or so because most who frequent Steam can't get a handle on it.The grogs already own it. Then Steam has their inevitable mini sale of your game and the price hits 3 bucks, or thereabouts. Some more buy it...Lets say 4-6K.
For the company making it its great. Thats more than they would make than if they sold it on their site. Everyone is happy. Except for Steam...... To them that 4-6k at 30% is not worth the hassle..They want 30k+ sellers..They don't want the next game. But customers now expect the company to sell their games at Steam prices or else...Customers are fickle...Sure the grogs who have been there all along will buy but not Johnny Newbie. He is off to the next shiny thing.
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Regarding comparisons to Steam, while I also use Steam, it's worth noting that all of our games are DRM-free. As long as you download them once (or get the physical copy) and store the file and the serial number, there's nothing else you need from us. If Matrix disappears (hopefully not!) in the future, it won't matter as long as you keep your copies in a place where you can find them. I still have my boxed games for my Apple II+ in the basement, so it's not that hard. I can't say the same for all my Steam games.

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Exactly Erik! I don't understand what the fascination with Steam is other than the prices or why some people whine and complain about Matrix's purchase policies. Matrix by far has the best purchase policy and options of any gaming company I know of. Once you own a Matrix game you REALLY own it! Can't say the same for many other games out there. [&o]
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I enjoy using Steam. It's essentially almost a one stop shop - and does have some great deals. I'm by no means a lover of it - but it suits my purpose.

What I would say though is the Matrix system is somewhat flawed. The transition from Digital River to Plimus was meant to be (and on the surface seemed to be) a good thing for us. As is, I'm not entirely sure how I can re-download a game I purchased should I have to and in fact cannot (and have never been able to) get the details of a game

I would look at the option to re-download games as a "perk" not an entitlement. Once you own a game you should be responsible enough to maintain the existence of your copy. Order a physical copy as I do. I still DL the game and play on the spot but I also have that magical thing called a "backup" when I lose my HD. I'm sure it costs matrix money to maintain order histories and everything to facilitate redownloading of games. Be happy the option exists at all.
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I find it fascinating that NWS is able to sell physical copies for lesser prices than Matrix sells downloads. Is it because of the redownloading thing?
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I find it fascinating that NWS is able to sell physical copies for lesser prices than Matrix sells downloads. Is it because of the redownloading thing?

I'm assuming they(NWS) get wholesale prices and can pass along a discount. Matrix could do that but don't......
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I enjoy using Steam. It's essentially almost a one stop shop - and does have some great deals. I'm by no means a lover of it - but it suits my purpose.

What I would say though is the Matrix system is somewhat flawed. The transition from Digital River to Plimus was meant to be (and on the surface seemed to be) a good thing for us. As is, I'm not entirely sure how I can re-download a game I purchased should I have to and in fact cannot (and have never been able to) get the details of a game

I would look at the option to re-download games as a "perk" not an entitlement. Once you own a game you should be responsible enough to maintain the existence of your copy. Order a physical copy as I do. I still DL the game and play on the spot but I also have that magical thing called a "backup" when I lose my HD. I'm sure it costs matrix money to maintain order histories and everything to facilitate redownloading of games. Be happy the option exists at all.
You know what? I did have a hard copy. I did have a digital download on my main PC....I just went to Holland "thinking" it was on my laptop - and it wasn't. That isn't Matrix fault...it's mine...my point is, had it been a Steam game I would have downloaded it and installed it within seconds....I had to wait for Matrix Support to get back to me...which I admit wasn't a massive inconvenience - but an inconvenience none-the-less.

I've already said here and elsewhere that it's not their responsibility to store peoples downloads and allow them to re-download adhoc....but it would be a bloody nice to have - especially from a company that apparently prides itself in it's customer support. Hell - I can't even view an order I made from Matrix for Plimus through Paypal!!! Really?

Surely it's not a big deal to ask to allow me to log onto Plimus and view my orders....seems it is as I could not because I paid via Paypal....and as for the re-download issue...I'm not the only one to suffer from the fact that I cannot log into my account and download the game I bought a year ago...

Sorry - before I get accused of whining - can anyone else who has paid for their games via paypal able to view their orders through Plimus? It is NOT possible and that is not acceptable.

God forbid your download is ever corrupted and you find yourself with a DVD that will not install - the point being is we can all be caught short.

If Steam where to go bye bye then I really wouldn't have lost out....their games (and the ones I've bought) are either cheap or games I'm not really bothered about losing. Matrix Games on the other hand charge a premium for their games and I expect to be able to play them in the near and distant future...so for me there is a different perception between the providers....Steam go belly up, I cry not a jot...Matrix go belly up, I cry a lot

The added bonus with Matrix is they do not have to be there when I want to play. Although with their current system, I would need to contact someone for my order - becuase I paid by paypal and whilst that is an accepted method of payment, it's not allowed on their website when viewing your orders!

BUT they COULD go one step further by providing the users with the ability to re-download their orders as well as allowing downloads as and when required - without the need for customer support - and allowing users who paid via Paypal to view their orders....
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Not that this can't happen to any digital distro store ...

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Take in to account also that Steam take 30%

The games Steam sell are digital products.
Those products are already made,...so no large cost for development.
Selling a digital product after it has been created/finished/patched costs next to nothing, since their is no physical storage, shipping and no production/development required.
These facts mean that 30% of a few sales is almost all profit, while 100% of nothing is always nothing.
This is also the reason why some are miffed about prices rarely going down. Getting many more sales at a reduced price (and mostly profit) is better than not getting the sales because the price is never reduced.

But part of the problem is that once you get on steam, many people will expect all your future games to show up too. Lets say you finally get Steam to accept wargame X. Its an amazing game that garnered awards up the yinyang.It shows up on steam at a low price(let's say 19.99) Few bite, maybe a 1k or so because most who frequent Steam can't get a handle on it.The grogs already own it. Then Steam has their inevitable mini sale of your game and the price hits 3 bucks, or thereabouts. Some more buy it...Lets say 4-6K.
For the company making it its great. Thats more than they would make than if they sold it on their site. Everyone is happy. Except for Steam...... To them that 4-6k at 30% is not worth the hassle..They want 30k+ sellers..They don't want the next game. But customers now expect the company to sell their games at Steam prices or else...Customers are fickle...Sure the grogs who have been there all along will buy but not Johnny Newbie. He is off to the next shiny thing.
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You would practically have to give away one of your big sellers to get Steam to bite on a deal. And then you would have to hope the future doses are as good and as cheap.
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If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?
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If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?


Steam is just a delivery method.
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Hmm, to be honest, I was wondering why a special thread for this was not even started yet:
The steam forums were hacked last saturday, and now it seems the hackers also gained access to Steam itself and were able to access user names, email addresses, hashed passwords, billing addresses and encrypted credit card information.

Puts things in a whole new perspective...
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You would practically have to give away one of your big sellers to get Steam to bite on a deal. And then you would have to hope the future doses are as good and as cheap.
So, Steam is basically devaluating games in eyes of its customers?
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You would practically have to give away one of your big sellers to get Steam to bite on a deal. And then you would have to hope the future doses are as good and as cheap.
So, Steam is basically devaluating games in eyes of its customers?

Nope, but they like money and they work volume over quality
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If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?


Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.


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If Matrix games where on Steam there would be no Matrix games. As they are the publisher not the developers.Is this right?


Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.
Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.
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This discussion has run out of steam..........
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Steam is just a delivery method.

And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.
Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.

But it is not the same one, the one I've seen all over the place in India is a mirror of the nazi one.

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This discussion has run out of steam..........

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And a swastika's just a Tibetan good luck charm.
Of course not. Swastika was a good luck charm on all continents and its first known use was dated on 10000 years ago.

But it is not the same one, the one I've seen all over the place in India is a mirror of the nazi one.

Nazi Swastika is tilded, not a mirror of the standard one. And Nazis didn't have a monopoly for the tilted swastika, so the only Nazi swastika is the one on the flag of Nazi Germany - placed on the round white field on a red flag.

Here's a gallery with swastikas in various cultures.
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