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5 hits by one sub - one turn

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PBEM JAN30 1942

Sub attack near Ndeni at 120,143

Japanese Ships
SS I-22, hits 15, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AO Bishopdale, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Moresby
AO Kurumba, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage



SS I-22 launches 4 torpedoes at AO Bishopdale
I-22 bottoming out ....
PG Moresby fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Moresby fails to find sub, continues to search...
PG Moresby attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-22 forced to surface!
AO Kurumba firing on surfaced sub ....
AO Bishopdale firing on surfaced sub ....
PG Moresby firing on surfaced sub ....
AO Kurumba firing on surfaced sub ....
PG Moresby firing on surfaced sub ....
AO Kurumba firing on surfaced sub ....
AO Kurumba firing on surfaced sub ....
AO Kurumba firing on surfaced sub ....
PG Moresby firing on surfaced sub ....
PG Moresby firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves ( Not true sub is still alive very damaged but still alive)

Very interesting action and the surfaced sub was not sunk!!
Both AO show as sunk - but were they?
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Quite cool!
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Sub attack near Ndeni at 120,143

Japanese Ships
SS I-22, hits 15, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AO Bishopdale, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Moresby
AO Kurumba, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage



SS I-22 launches 4 torpedoes at AO Bishopdale

Your sub fire 4 torp. and hit 5 time? FOW? A magic torp?[8D]
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No, sub fired more torpedoes after it was forced to surface.

This is almost once in a lifetime results. [;)]
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Yep, it is amazing to me but virtually all crippled subs forced to the surface will fire at least one salvo of torpedoes and sometimes more. Even after being pummled with DC and 5 inch gunfire. This is not a rare event but happens most anytime a sub is forced to the surface. I have actually lost two DDs to this. Not a big deal in my book. Kind of fun.
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The even stranger thing is the sub was not sunk?
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ORIGINAL: cohimbra

Your sub fire 4 torp. and hit 5 time? FOW? A magic torp?[8D]

No...THIS remains to me the ultimate magic torpedo salvo.


Sub attack near Singapore at x, y

Japanese Ships
SS I-7

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage






Above is a 'recreation' of an actual event. Happened back in the stock WitP days. I've never seen it repeated either in my own games, tests, or any other AAR's i've browsed. A once in a lifetime die roll it seams.....a full salvo with a 100% hit rate. Obviously the poor Wales sank immediately.
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That Prince of Wales is a tough cookie... these results from Reluctant Admiral 3.4.2

December 8th

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M2 Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 9 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 1
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M2 Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 8



Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Danae
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 6, heavy damage
DD Vendetta

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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December 9th

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kota Bharu at 52,75

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6



Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo


9 Torpedoes to send it to the sea floor.....

Since BBN has already been assigned for use in the future I reckon this ship should be reclassified as BBS.... Battleship on Steroids.

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RE: 5 hits by one sub - one turn

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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
ORIGINAL: cohimbra

Your sub fire 4 torp. and hit 5 time? FOW? A magic torp?[8D]

No...THIS remains to me the ultimate magic torpedo salvo.


Sub attack near Singapore at x, y

Japanese Ships
SS I-7

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage






Above is a 'recreation' of an actual event. Happened back in the stock WitP days. I've never seen it repeated either in my own games, tests, or any other AAR's i've browsed. A once in a lifetime die roll it seams.....a full salvo with a 100% hit rate. Obviously the poor Wales sank immediately.

Surprising the last one didn't go straight through without exploding! [:D]
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Yep, it is amazing to me but virtually all crippled subs forced to the surface will fire at least one salvo of torpedoes and sometimes more. Even after being pummled with DC and 5 inch gunfire. This is not a rare event but happens most anytime a sub is forced to the surface. I have actually lost two DDs to this. Not a big deal in my book. Kind of fun.

There's at least one instance in real war, where a badly damaged surfaced japanese sub attempted to fight back. I think it was british destroyer vs. I-60. Destroyer's 20 mm gunners kept killing japanese sailors who manned 12 cm deck gun. One 12 cm shell hit destroyer and killed a few men, but I-60 took rapidly hits and finally sunk.
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In the real war the most successful salvo of the war was probably the one launched at the Wasp.  Of 6 torpedoes, every one of them found a target.  Three ships were hit if I remember correctly.

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Not every one, one or maybe two missed. CV Wasp took 2 or 3 hits and sunk, DD O'Brien took 1 hit and sunk a month later (too much structural damage) and BB North Carolina took 1 hit and was out of action about two months.

Can't happen in real life!
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I think mine and NIK deserve the hall of fame

His 6 hits on POW

And my 5 hits between two oilers.
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I think mine and NIK deserve the hall of fame

His 6 hits on POW

And my 5 hits between two oilers.

If those 2 oilers were loaded when hit, that text "heavy fires" often spell bad news for them. Loaded tankers and oilers can burn quite nicely even in game.
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So I assume the game treats ships loaded with fuel in a special way - must say i did not know that?
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So I assume the game treats ships loaded with fuel in a special way - must say i did not know that?
Yes. With few exceptions, hits on a laden oiler tend to ignite the supply. The fire damage-which is appreciable-adds to the floatation damage directly. In essence, they burn to the waterline and sink.

This came up as a form topic some time ago. IRL, there were only a handful of instances wherein a laden fleet oiler survived a torpedoing. IMO, the game treats this very well.
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Yes quite agree and thanks
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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
ORIGINAL: cohimbra

Your sub fire 4 torp. and hit 5 time? FOW? A magic torp?[8D]

No...THIS remains to me the ultimate magic torpedo salvo.


Sub attack near Singapore at x, y

Japanese Ships
SS I-7

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage






Above is a 'recreation' of an actual event. Happened back in the stock WitP days. I've never seen it repeated either in my own games, tests, or any other AAR's i've browsed. A once in a lifetime die roll it seams.....a full salvo with a 100% hit rate. Obviously the poor Wales sank immediately.


My opponent Stefan, hit my Allied AK six times with a six torpedo salvo in 1942 of our campaign game. Unescorted ship, I think. So, it can happen in AE.
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A single 5" shell hit is usually enought to sink any ship loaded with fuel/oil unless they are in a port hex.
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RE: 5 hits by one sub - one turn

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In the real war the most successful salvo of the war was probably the one launched at the Wasp. Of 6 torpedoes, every one of them found a target. Three ships were hit if I remember correctly.

4 torpedo salvo at least 3 hits "The Axum succeeded in sinking the Royal Navy light cruiser HMS Cairo, and damaging the cruiser HMS Nigeria and the oil tanker SS Ohio with a single salvo of four torpedoes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_submarine_Axum
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