ORIGINAL: oldman45
Instead of designing a new CL, why not go with the Mogami's?
They appeared to be pretty formidable as CLs with 15 6" guns!
Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: oldman45
Instead of designing a new CL, why not go with the Mogami's?
ORIGINAL: FatR
We still need art for Fusos/Ises as they originally looked (I'll try to find pictures later).
ORIGINAL: Commander Cody
Gents,
I'm a little late to this party, but if you're looking for balance ideas for the Allies, here are some:
1. Build up Guam and Wake a bit better, as budgets to build the bases were originally planned to be higher but got cut.
2. Put a few more base forces and slightly improve AF and/or port levels on the path from Hawaii to Australia, representing better anticipation of hostilities.
3. F4U Corsair doesn't have so many problems in the prototype stage. Move up production of all models by X months (say 4).
4. Like the idea of having the option to use PPs to add aircraft factories.
5. Also like the idea of requiring a ramp up in Stateside factories.
6. Add some training squadrons at start, especially USN.
Cheers,
CC
ORIGINAL: DOCUP
Some more of my thoughts on this. I could be wrong, so if I am let me know.
In the early 30s, I believe the US was below the actual treaty tonnage. I don't know in which class though. I do know it wasn't the BB's or carriers. So that gives some room for a few more cruisers, destroyers and subs.
Some of the older destroyers could of been replaced by the newer ones built in the 30s. This could give the US a chance to convert older destroyers into DE, APD etc. earlier.
The Big Five could have been mondernized during the 30s. Yea I know about the money issues, but if the japaneese were out of the treaty and building ships the US could of stayed within the treaty and updated some of there BBs. Heres a curve ball what if the US sold an old BB or two to the Philippines or some other country as a costal BB? That would free up some treaty tonnage. And it would change the early moves.
With the esculation in Japaneese ship building the US would of held more war games. Adding to the chance that the faulty torp's would of been discovered earlier. I believe that the US would of still lagged behind the Japaneese some but would of been a bit better prepared.
I don't know but would say that the US army, USAAF and Marines would of been updated and dispersed in a better defensive positions.
With the esculation the M1 garand could of been supplied to the grunts a little earlier. Improving there firepower.
Just my thoughts
doc
There is enough time for buildup after treaties. Which were rather unfavorable for Japan in this area anyway, allowing Western powers to fortify their major ports in the theatre, but restricting Japanese from building up defenses of Formosa.ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The 'normal' 8 BBs would start at PH.
Yes: that was the Nine Power Pact signed as part of the Washington Conference. When that was signed Japan agreed to the 5:5:3 ratio.
THAT provokes the idea! What if the Nine Power Pact wasn't signed? Japan won't join the Treaty due to this unless she gets the 3.5. In not signing, the USA is allowed the option to build-up her bases in the Pacific.
Yes.ORIGINAL: John 3rdDoes this sound OK and look right?
Thanks! Just what we needed.ORIGINAL: Dixie
It's an old artwork, that I did back when I first got into playing around with pictures, but if nothing else it can be used as a placeholder until you get something better made up.
Fuso, from the WPO era.
ORIGINAL: FatR
So, on cruisers.
Pre-London, no changes.
Past London, light cruisers:
1)Convert Tenryu and Tatsuta into fast minelayers, as you've proposed. They will replace Okinoshima and Tsugaru.
2)Convert Kuma and Tama into fast submarine leaders/replenishment ships with scout aircrafts. They will replace Taigei in this role.
3)Convert Oi, Kiso and Kitakami into training ships.
4)Mildly modify four Sendai-class cruisers so that they can continue serving as destroyer leaders. Remove four 140mm turrets installed on submarine depot ships of Jingei-class and install them instead of two forward 140mm guns on Sendais, make necessary modifications for using oxygen torpedoes, so on.
5)Disarm and mothball six remaining 5500-ton cruisers and draw plans beforehand, to modify them as as ships with heavy torpedo or heavy anti-air armament in case of imminent war or treaties' breakdown.
To continue with the proposal, can you confirm, John, if the London treaty actually allowed dowgrading CAs to CLs, moving tonnage from one category to another? If so, what tonnage exactly Japanese will have in both categories, assuming that the training cruisers will still count as CLs?