I dont like my union

[Zakhal]

Im from Finland. Sorry its political.

[bairdlander2]

not sure if that would be considered political.My union doesnt do much for us either.

[ilovestrategy]

Ours is good but sometimes I think they demand too much. 

[bairdlander2]

Well with us they have certain "site specific" rules like no double time at certain jobs,but we have one of the best pensions around.$10 the employer has to give for every hour worked and that realley adds up over time.The real problem is there is no solidarity among workers and even the various trades.If we wanted to we could shutdown the oil refineries if we all walked.But thats illegal here.

[Zakhal]

Nice, but you know there is only one union I talk about. 

[hgilmer3]

I always liked the Solidarity Union, but it was more of a movement and a cry for freedom than just a union. Sorry if that is too political.

[parusski]

I am happy to be a part time resident of a right to work state. The Volunteer state is great.

[Perturabo]

We don't have good unions in Poland. That's why I decided to never work outside family again - when I'll finish studies I'll probably start my own family. Having to do best quality work in bad conditions for 2$ a hour... - never again.
One thing that is the worst that people with higher education can do crap work and still get paid a lot - especially lawyers, while unskilled workers still have to work a lot and do highest quality work and get starvation wages.
Of course randroids justify it by their ideology of great value of mental work and worthlessness of physical work.

[vonRocko]

Last week, I had to pay a union $200 dollars an hour too operate an elevator. He literally had too just push the buttons, my workers were not allowed to touch it! I can give you a hundred stories just as ridiculous as this. Screw unions!!!![:@]

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

We don't have good unions in Poland. That's why I decided to never work outside family again - when I'll finish studies I'll probably start my own family. Having to do best quality work in bad conditions for 2$ a hour... - never again.
One thing that is the worst that people with higher education can do crap work and still get paid a lot - especially lawyers, while unskilled workers still have to work a lot and do highest quality work and get starvation wages.
Of course randroids justify it by their ideology of great value of mental work and worthlessness of physical work.

Dont get me started on lawyers......especially Polish lawyers

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

Last week, I had to pay a union $200 dollars an hour too operate an elevator. He literally had too just push the buttons, my workers were not allowed to touch it! I can give you a hundred stories just as ridiculous as this. Screw unions!!!![:@]

Wheres this? I need a new job and 200 bucks an hour to push buttons is a lot more than my union negotiated to drive buses....A freaking lot more....

[vonRocko]

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker


Wheres this?

Near you as a matter of fact, Rochester. $200 an hour is the rate I paid the union, I'm sure the worker only got about $50 of that. Construction unions! I've been to sites where we weren't allowed to open doors by ourselves, I needed a union worker to open doors for me!!?? This is the sort of nonsense that shows unions out of control. At least in America. I wonder if unions are as arrogant in other countries? The USA once had a definite need for unions, but I feel those days are gone. I know unions played a huge part of the demise of industry in my state (PA.). When janitors are getting $45 dollars an hour to push brooms, something is wrong. Nothing I can do about it, except gripe.

[Phatguy]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker


Wheres this?

Near you as a matter of fact, Rochester. $200 an hour is the rate I paid the union, I'm sure the worker only got about $50 of that. Construction unions! I've been to sites where we weren't allowed to open doors by ourselves, I needed a union worker to open doors for me!!?? This is the sort of nonsense that shows unions out of control. At least in America. I wonder if unions are as arrogant in other countries? The USA once had a definite need for unions, but I feel those days are gone. I know unions played a huge part of the demise of industry in my state (PA.). When janitors are getting $45 dollars an hour to push brooms, something is wrong. Nothing I can do about it, except gripe.

I know the transportation unions arent as whacked out as that.... Top pay here is a LOT less than 50 an hour...And we dont have some of the ridiculous crap going on as construction unions.But i'm sure the button masher only is getting 20-25 at the most..Someones hand is skimming off a little from the top...... But I disagree about the need for unions. They are still needed. If we didnt have a union where we worked it would be a lot less safe etc etc..Maybe its the company I work for....I used to be on the other side of the fence when I ran my own company....

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker


Wheres this?

Near you as a matter of fact, Rochester. $200 an hour is the rate I paid the union, I'm sure the worker only got about $50 of that. Construction unions! I've been to sites where we weren't allowed to open doors by ourselves, I needed a union worker to open doors for me!!?? This is the sort of nonsense that shows unions out of control. At least in America. I wonder if unions are as arrogant in other countries? The USA once had a definite need for unions, but I feel those days are gone. I know unions played a huge part of the demise of industry in my state (PA.). When janitors are getting $45 dollars an hour to push brooms, something is wrong. Nothing I can do about it, except gripe.

To be honest, it sounds more like a mafia than a worker union.

ORIGINAL: apathetic lurker

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

We don't have good unions in Poland. That's why I decided to never work outside family again - when I'll finish studies I'll probably start my own family. Having to do best quality work in bad conditions for 2$ a hour... - never again.
One thing that is the worst that people with higher education can do crap work and still get paid a lot - especially lawyers, while unskilled workers still have to work a lot and do highest quality work and get starvation wages.
Of course randroids justify it by their ideology of great value of mental work and worthlessness of physical work.

Dont get me started on lawyers......especially Polish lawyers

I've heard horror stories about people losing their inheritance, children and stuff like that because of lazy incompetent lawyers. Personally, I have lost my alimony thanks to an incompetent lawyer and earlier I had a few years of delays of execution of overdue alimony thanks to another lawyer. Of course all of these bastards get paid a lot.

[Yogi the Great]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

To be honest, it sounds more like a mafia than a worker union.

And the difference would be?

[sabre1]

^+1

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

To be honest, it sounds more like a mafia than a worker union.

And the difference would be?

Shift of goals from workers defending themselves from exploitation and unhealthy working conditions to exploiting employers and creating unhealthy conditions for business.

[Phatguy]

But to be honest, without unions many employers would love nothing more than to crap right on their employees if given half a chance....Im not saying most but a significant portion.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo
Shift of goals from workers defending themselves from exploitation and unhealthy working conditions to exploiting employers and creating unhealthy conditions for business.

You only seem to hear the "exploiting employers and creating unhealthy conditions for business" bit from employers, though. Odd that.

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: Perturabo
Shift of goals from workers defending themselves from exploitation and unhealthy working conditions to exploiting employers and creating unhealthy conditions for business.

You only seem to hear the "exploiting employers and creating unhealthy conditions for business" bit from employers, though. Odd that.

I suspect that employers who have these kind of opinions about unions are of two kinds - randroids who make forming of unions a necessity - to them employees are subhumans who don't deserve to have any profits from their work and whose health is unimportant while they are Ayn Randian overmen creating wealth for themselves with their titanic creativity and intellect and people who run into unions with mafia-like mentality.