Overland Supply Problem For Darwin

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Hi,

As an allied player playing under Patch 3, I'm finding it impossible to supply Darwin overland. I've bumped up the supplies required in Darwin and in all the towns leading to Darwin (Alice Springs has 10K and Townsville 40k), yet none of the supplies are flowing overland to reach Darwin. And it's not like anything is happening there that is eating up supplies, either - only the "stock" land units that begin the game are in Darwin and no air missions of any kind are being flown. Nor is the Japanese AI bombing the place (at least not yet).

What is even more peculiar is that other overland supply routes seem to work fine. I have a large supply cache in Broome, and Derby and the other small towns nearby are drawing their supplies without issues. It's only Darwin that seems incapable of drawing supplies.

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Darwin is now subject to the overland supply restrictions there is a limit to how much supply you can drag there over those roads
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Darwin is now subject to the overland supply restrictions there is a limit to how much supply you can drag there over those roads

How much can you drag over those roads to Darwin then? Right now, it seems I'm dragging absolutely nothing overland to Darwin - I currently have 0 supply in Darwin.
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Either that or what you *are* able to drag there is getting used that same turn, returning you to zero.
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Try setting the supply to Darwin at max, and setting all the surrounding towns to zero. I found that a base will bottleneck supplies if I raise the required amount at all. So, if any bases in the path to Darwin have increased supplies, they'll hold on to them (ie, Alice Springs.)

I figured this out when I tried to supply Whitehorse overland from Skagway. I increased supply required at Skagway (hoping auto convoy would deliver that amount), and increased supply required at Whitehorse. Skagway held on to everything and Whitehorse starved. Once I turned off supply required at Skagway, Whitehorse drew the supplies it needed.
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While you may be able to pull supply from base to base over time, the best suggestion is to send by sea. It will be difficult to get copious supply there for offensive operations via land or air.

To help, make sure you dont have any bases in Oz set to max supply draw. Click any currently down 1 setting. Then you can proceed with the pull from base to base by setting, but I should warn you that such an effort will take weeks and perhaps a month if you understand the supply cycles. It is highly advisable to supply by sea...highly advisable.
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Read this thread ....Another supply movement question
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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Try setting the supply to Darwin at max, and setting all the surrounding towns to zero. I found that a base will bottleneck supplies if I raise the required amount at all. So, if any bases in the path to Darwin have increased supplies, they'll hold on to them (ie, Alice Springs.)

I figured this out when I tried to supply Whitehorse overland from Skagway. I increased supply required at Skagway (hoping auto convoy would deliver that amount), and increased supply required at Whitehorse. Skagway held on to everything and Whitehorse starved. Once I turned off supply required at Skagway, Whitehorse drew the supplies it needed.
OK, thanks for the tip. I just reduced supply required to minimum for all bases "on the way" to Darwin, so hopefully in a few turns some supply reaches Darwin. Hopefully it works, otherwise the defenders of Darwin are gonna have a long war!
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Try that. But if it doesn't work, try this next. Raise the supplies called for in Alice Springs very high. After they build up, reduce them one click per turn. This will artificially make supplies above the 3x that the bases guard (aka hold for themselves) available. Good luck.
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Forget trying to supply darwin over the road, what you can do however is what I did against the AI - brought in my carriers to escort, and dropped 500k in supplies on a massive supply run.  (I brought in carriers because in 10/42 Betties were sinking 10 transports out of range of darwin)

Or, if you have P-38s use them for LRCAP of the transports. However anything before 10/42 forget it.
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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

Try setting the supply to Darwin at max, and setting all the surrounding towns to zero. I found that a base will bottleneck supplies if I raise the required amount at all. So, if any bases in the path to Darwin have increased supplies, they'll hold on to them (ie, Alice Springs.)

I figured this out when I tried to supply Whitehorse overland from Skagway. I increased supply required at Skagway (hoping auto convoy would deliver that amount), and increased supply required at Whitehorse. Skagway held on to everything and Whitehorse starved. Once I turned off supply required at Skagway, Whitehorse drew the supplies it needed.

That did the trick. A few turns later supplies started to trickle into Darwin - so troops are no longer starving. The 10K supplies that were at Alice Springs also disappeared - apparently redistributed to Darwin and elsewhere.
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ORIGINAL: Misconduct

Forget trying to supply darwin over the road, what you can do however is what I did against the AI - brought in my carriers to escort, and dropped 500k in supplies on a massive supply run.  (I brought in carriers because in 10/42 Betties were sinking 10 transports out of range of darwin)

Or, if you have P-38s use them for LRCAP of the transports. However anything before 10/42 forget it.

My game is in April '42 - so resupply by naval isn't gonna work unless I want a lot of transports to meet a watery grave.
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I send small cargo ships in one at a time. They often get there undetected. Once they get close enough I cover them with long range cap. This is not fool proof, you will take losses, but I have a good stockpile in March '43.
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I'm in May '43 and building up Darwin for attacks on the DEI. My tip is to build up Normanton to its highest port level (about 4 or so,) and grab Merauke (sp?) on PNG's south coast for use as an air base. xAKLs can get to Darwin in about 3 days and can be kept in decent air cover the entire way, especially with a few drop tanks. The nearest Japanese airbases can be shut down by bombers quickly enough. I've lost a few ships but nothing major so I've begun moving fuel up as well. In my experience Normanton is the nearest place to Darwin with a good quality link to supply and fuel movement. It's well on its way to becoming a major base for me. I've never been able to move supply to Darwin in great enough numbers to keep it operational via the land system but the Normanton route is working brilliantly. Besides, what else am i going to do with those hundreds of small tramp steamers? They'll be more useful when I start making headway between the various islands but they might as well earn their keep just now.

This is my first campaign in WITP:AE and it's really only beginning to sink in how important supply is. Sometimes it seems like it's really a logistics simulator with shooting in it and, as a noob, I'm both thrilled and worried by how satisfying I actually find it....[:D]
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Horn Island is also a useful base for supplying LRCAP to Darwin convoys. It's Februatu 1943 in my campaign vs the Japanese AI, and I've retaken Rabaul and the north coast of PNG as far as Hollandia, as well as pushing west from Darwin to Kendari, Babo, Ambon and Sorong - which has forced the Betties back to Macassar, Surabaya and Peleliu -- they're still a factor, but have longer way to go, unescorted, inot my CAP and LR CAP flying from those bases. Still mostly P40 Ks with a few P-38Gs and Corsairs thrown in. Lillies still a threat from Noemfoor, but, of course, they don't carry torps.
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I've been able to send large transport convoys from Ceylon to Darwin as long as you set some waypoints along the way to keep them out of patrol plane coverage from Java.  The TF's hug the coast over to Darwin; I've got 200k+ supplies and 150k+ fuel there, plenty to launch my invasions from.  The AI is heavily dug in on Timor and Java, so I'm going east and up the southern coast of New Guinea.
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My problem is not supplies at Darwin…Its fuel!!! I’ve had tankers and transports running from the cape and Colombo. First one arrives tomorrow. Happy Days in Darwin! Back to hunting!

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ORIGINAL: Ossian

Besides, what else am i going to do with those hundreds of small tramp steamers?

Quick FYI - some of them can convert to small troop transports.
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