OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR

[Flaviusx]

Yeah, that's a perfectly good stop line in the South. There's nothing further to gain unless you intend to push into the Volga and Caucasus which is obviously not part of the plan here. (And we all know how well that worked out for the Germans in real life...)

With the XIV PzC rested up the Sovs are going to find that a hard line to crack. They've got other fish to fry anyways.

Edit: don't let them keep any bridgeheads on your side of the Don!

[FM WarB]

You speak of moving trucks around to move static, mostly infantry divisions. Why do inf divs need trucks to move?

[Naughteous Maximus]

I love the strategy you've been using through out your game, to bad the Germans didn't have any sense. I was wondering if you could tell me the composition of the XIV Panzer Korps? I know you have the 13th Panzer, but I don't know what else.

[Captain B]

Well, having once been a "light" infantry soldier, trucks carry all the crap you can't (extra ammo, rations, mortar rounds, the occassional hot chow, etc.); move you to where you need to be faster than your feet, and allow you to keep pace with the armor, well, almost keep pace with them. To quote an earlier post, it is all about Command and Control as well as logistics!

A foot soldier can do roughly 2-2.5 miles an hour marching for any kind of long distance. A truck can cover that same distance in 5 minutes. Go figure.

ORIGINAL: FM WarB

You speak of moving trucks around to move static, mostly infantry divisions. Why do inf divs need trucks to move?

[PyleDriver]

XIV PzC is made up of 13th PzD, Wiking SS, and the Slav MD...As far as trucks the HQs have them to keep supply rolling to units, other than that front line static units have horses and carts...The Soviets are suffering from the same problems at this stage in the war...Then Detroit kicks in for them later...

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Captain B

Well, having once been a "light" infantry soldier, trucks carry all the crap you can't (extra ammo, rations, mortar rounds, the occassional hot chow, etc.); move you to where you need to be faster than your feet, and allow you to keep pace with the armor, well, almost keep pace with them. To quote an earlier post, it is all about Command and Control as well as logistics!

A foot soldier can do roughly 2-2.5 miles an hour marching for any kind of long distance. A truck can cover that same distance in 5 minutes. Go figure.

ORIGINAL: FM WarB

You speak of moving trucks around to move static, mostly infantry divisions. Why do inf divs need trucks to move?

hmmm, as a X-Marine, I can say, we carry all the crap we got, since the Army has all of the trucks !

LOL, when I was in, they decided, maybe we should bring the 60 mike-mike back into the line companies, I was "picked" to be one of the lucky guys to try it, read the manual, the 60 mike-mike comes in 4 easy to carry parts, since only a mule would be able to carry it anywhere when it was all in one piece

guess who got to play mule !

8 months of training overseas, we get back, and they decide, that hey, it really should be a support weapon, so it should go to Weapon's Plt, and well, hey, it is too heavy to carry, lets give them Jeeps or tracks to carry the things !!!!!!!!

never did get to shoot the dang thing

one thing I did learn, I know why most troops that do use that old thing, only carry the tube into combat (baseplate, legs and sights, stay back in the wharehouse)

[Hard Sarge]

yea yea, I know Jon, shut up

[Zovs]

Hum, lets see...

Marines infantry walk, crawl, swim...
Army infantry, crawls, walks, rides...
Army tankers blow up stuff and run over stuff...

<- insert Andy and his helos.... ->&nbsp; [:D]

from an old Army Guy...

[PyleDriver]

(DAR) Well Model's 9th is chewing up ground. They battled over Torzhok. There in postion to really press hard on Moscows northern flank...Notice the railhead...

[SGHunt]

Jon

I hope you are feeling better because I need to know what's happening with Hoth and Kleist![;)]

I can't work out what you do with Armin now (although I see how his Corp's thrust has secured 9th Army's flank and rail link) - does he cut back to Lake Ilmen to create a pocket, does he invest Vyshny or does he link with Model more directly in pushing at Moscow?

And, for the 9th, and after Kalinin, do you go North or South of the marshes?

Stuart

[PyleDriver]

Stuart I have been really sick, so much I can't focus on the game. Bear with me I even went to the emergency room this week, I was that bad...The good news is I'm feeling a little better now, and hope I can get the AAR rolling agian for you guys soon...Sucks getting old...

[PyleDriver]

This (DAR) will give you guys an idea of how one area takes alot of thought. I had to attack the pocket in the rear now, poor 17th PzD, still in refit took another big hit...LVI PzC joined with 2nd PzA to cut a hole in the line and snuck 10th MD across the Oka. Hubes PzC joined with XIII corps and are blasting out the line...The question, as I'm not sure if I have enough power to do both, do I close the pocket or press another bridgehead over the Oka...Hum...There is a build up of Soviets on my right, I really need to clean up this mess so I can free up 2nd PzA to move east to guard Hoths right...

[SGHunt]

Jon

Now I feel bad (hey, but not that bad!)- I am glad you are feeling better and that there's nothing seriously wrong. I'm sure the game will bring you comfort.[:)]

Does your most Northerly 3 unit (29-34) stack, the one that I presume has just routed two Russian units, have the legs to blast through both of them again and attack the HQ over the Oka? Or are there likely to be units we can't see lurking there? Either way, it may still be the best route to and over the Oka AND help cut off the Tula, or provide support for setting up the Tula pocket. I think I'd pull back the foremost Panzer Division and use it and the 2 x 3 unit stacks to support that attack and hold open a corridor. And possibly launch another attack on the two ? units northeast of the Guards 2=5 Division North of Tula to create the pocket.

God, this sounds like gobbledygook but I hope if you read it with the map to look at it makes sense.

S

[PyleDriver]

Stuart, your like a guy thats has to watch a porno flick and not able to jump in...lol...Yes I'm feeling better thanks, however your just going to have to wait, as others, to see how this ends. I have to draw out the suspence of the game. Damn they should be paying me (or my wife says so)...lol...Btw I'm going for both. I need the pocket closed, and a bridgehead for Hoth. The railheads just keep an eye on them. I'm able to keep the supply I need to spank these guys around if there close...

[SGHunt]

ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

Stuart, your like a guy thats has to watch a porno flick and not able to jump in...

Funny you should mention that...
S

[PyleDriver]

Well Hoth tried and there was reserves pouring in like flies. The Tula pocket looks hopeless, and my right is still my concern. I did had some good victories south of the Oka and we will press on...Oh and what about Kleist?...

[Bronze]

Are there not enough MPs for the motorized division to dislodge the understrength rifle division and make a pocket (with the other motorized division coming down to seal the pocket) around TUla? +/- pre-bombardment?

[PyleDriver]

No there pretty much spent (burnt out). You need to keep an eye out for counters and get ready for the next week. I did get that railhead 30 miles closer...

[PyleDriver]

Well armor losses keep mouting...This is an overview on level four...Alot of pressure is still on Moscow. Kleist is still yet to move...

[wiking62]

Looking good Jon. I am looking forward to seeing von Kleists next moves.