ID this Japanese DD

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I found this pic on National Geographic but they had no name for it but just got me to wondering who -



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Wow! Thats a picture you don't see every day.
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hmmm...is that a kagero class? can anyone confirm?
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Too small for a destroyer. Various features (mast, 25mm gun tub layout) strongly indicate that this is a Type C or Type D escort vessel, but without sight of the stack I can't tell them apart.
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Wow.

From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.
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Mutsu class or TB ?
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ORIGINAL: jcjordan

I found this pic on National Geographic but they had no name for it but just got me to wondering who -



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looks pretty small for a destroyer, must be some kind of other escort. Guess a DD would be at least 50% bigger.
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IJN Kaibokan Type D (escort destroyer) "No. 134" under attack by North American medium bomber B-25 near Amoy, China, 6 April 1945.
Top Photo: North American B-25J-5-NC Mitchell "Ruthless Ruth," serial number 43-28014, pulls up after making a skip-bombing run on IJN Coastal Defense Vessel No. 134.
Japanese convoy HOMO-03 left Hong Kong enroute to Shanghai, consisting of subchasers CH-9 and CH-20, destroyer IJN Amatsukaze, Kaibokan (escort destroyers) Coastal Defense Vessels No. 1 and No. 134, Tokai Maru Number 2 and Kine Maru on April 4, 1945.
Attacks by US Navy Martin PBM-5 Mariner flying boats, 5th Air Force Consolidated B-24 Liberators and Lockheed P-38 Lightnings on April 5 sink the two transports, and the convoy breaks up. The subchasers return to Hong Kong while the destroyers head for Amoy, China. Enroute, CH-9, CH-20 and No. 1 are damaged by another wave of B-24s.
The next day, the three destroyers are found by twenty-four B-25s of the 345th; the Americans volunteered for the long over-water flight from their base at San Marcelino, Luzon to the Japanese ships off the China coast. Lt. Mikell scored a near-miss with his delayed fuse bomb; Lieutenant Francis Thompson strafed the ship; the flight leader scored a hit amidships. No. 134 rolled over to starboard and sank, her surviving crew abandoning ship to the shark-infested waters. No. 1 was also skip-bombed and sank. Amatsukaze was beached a mile away on a reef, but slipped stern-first into the sea and sank.


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Capsized pretty quick didn't it?
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Capsized pretty quick didn't it?


Not really..., from the looks of those pics half the starboard side of the ship must have been caved in in the second photo...
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It would happen with any non armored ship of that size. There are no miracles in physics.
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ORIGINAL: sayaret

IJN Kaibokan Type D (escort destroyer) "No. 134" under attack by North American medium bomber B-25 near Amoy, China, 6 April 1945.
Top Photo: North American B-25J-5-NC Mitchell "Ruthless Ruth," serial number 43-28014, pulls up after making a skip-bombing run on IJN Coastal Defense Vessel No. 134.
Japanese convoy HOMO-03 left Hong Kong enroute to Shanghai, consisting of subchasers CH-9 and CH-20, destroyer IJN Amatsukaze, Kaibokan (escort destroyers) Coastal Defense Vessels No. 1 and No. 134, Tokai Maru Number 2 and Kine Maru on April 4, 1945.
Attacks by US Navy Martin PBM-5 Mariner flying boats, 5th Air Force Consolidated B-24 Liberators and Lockheed P-38 Lightnings on April 5 sink the two transports, and the convoy breaks up. The subchasers return to Hong Kong while the destroyers head for Amoy, China. Enroute, CH-9, CH-20 and No. 1 are damaged by another wave of B-24s.
The next day, the three destroyers are found by twenty-four B-25s of the 345th; the Americans volunteered for the long over-water flight from their base at San Marcelino, Luzon to the Japanese ships off the China coast. Lt. Mikell scored a near-miss with his delayed fuse bomb; Lieutenant Francis Thompson strafed the ship; the flight leader scored a hit amidships. No. 134 rolled over to starboard and sank, her surviving crew abandoning ship to the shark-infested waters. No. 1 was also skip-bombed and sank. Amatsukaze was beached a mile away on a reef, but slipped stern-first into the sea and sank.


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What an incredible set of pictures - never seen those before. Thanks for sharing [:)]
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WOW, awesomely powerful pictures of war's destructive carnage!  It looks like she's breaking into don't she, or is that wreckage hanging over in midships?
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WOW, awesomely powerful pictures of war's destructive carnage!  It looks like she's breaking into don't she, or is that wreckage hanging over in midships?
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No I think you`re right and she`s pretty much been cut in two.
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Wow.

From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.

I was thinking the same thing. There are enough people in the water and far enough away from the ship that it looks like it has been capsized for some period of time. Was there simply nothing else to bomb and they would have jettisoned otherwise? Seems to be poor form to be bombing a ship and its survivors once it is obvious that the ship is lost. Of course, I didn't lose my bunkmate the day before, so I may have had a different attitude had I been there. But is there much difference between this and machine-gunning the survivors after the ship has sunk below the surface?
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Hi all,
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From the splashes above the ship it looks like the plane that took the picture just left them a 500lb skip-bomb going away present.

I was thinking the same thing. There are enough people in the water and far enough away from the ship that it looks like it has been capsized for some period of time. Was there simply nothing else to bomb and they would have jettisoned otherwise? Seems to be poor form to be bombing a ship and its survivors once it is obvious that the ship is lost. Of course, I didn't lose my bunkmate the day before, so I may have had a different attitude had I been there. But is there much difference between this and machine-gunning the survivors after the ship has sunk below the surface?

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Ouch ... that's gonna leave a mark.
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I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).
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I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).

Yes, but it sucks when its a light cruiser that you get that message on.

Oh and the DD I had 'obliterated' by a single 4.7" hit.
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ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: jeffs

I think this would get the message
E obliterated by 500 lb bomb

One thing I like with AE is the instant disintegration messages (often received by my PTs[:(]).

Yes, but it sucks when its a light cruiser that you get that message on.

Oh and the DD I had 'obliterated' by a single 4.7" hit.


that would be a mag explosion then I guess
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