Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results

[bradfordkay]

Another thing to be noticed from your Wotje invasion is that while the transports were hit, there is no indication that any of the troops they carried were affected except for one pre-invasion action. This could be just a detail left out of the combat reports, or it could mean that damage to the supercargo was overlooked in the routine. You termed it a painful invasion, but the reports shown so far don't give any indication of it being so. 

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: WITPPL

Question:

Results were funny but the important question for me is:

What the heck should i do now?

Ive lost WEEKS of family life preparing whole operation. Not only it is fully disclosed but I am a sitting duck.
What the hell am I about to do with this damn situation?

Should I compose my TFs by my best and invade again (probably with similiart results)?
Maybe just give up a game or what?

How much loses will look GOOD?

I am really puzzled here!

[:@]

I would say "Don't back up." Or, if your opponent feels the results of the invasion were highly skewed, then try this.

Back up to the turn of the invasion. Your opponent makes 1 change, then re-sends you the turn. Making 1 change is to (hopefully) change the randomization and yield different combat results. If it does - great - go with them. If not, stay with what you have.

[WITPPL]

We have already turned back time.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Another thing to be noticed from your Wotje invasion is that while the transports were hit, there is no indication that any of the troops they carried were affected except for one pre-invasion action. This could be just a detail left out of the combat reports, or it could mean that damage to the supercargo was overlooked in the routine. You termed it a painful invasion, but the reports shown so far don't give any indication of it being so. 

This is from July 19th

SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
xAKL Kahuku sinks....
xAKL Mauna Ala sinks....
xAK Santa Monica sinks....

From July 20th

SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
xAK Adabelle Lykes sinks....
SURFACE COMBAT CHECK
DIVIDE CRIPPLED TFs
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
xAKL Honomu sinks....

From July 22nd

SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LCT-171 sinks....
LCT-172 sinks....
LCT-178 sinks....
xAK Golden Gate sinks....
SURFACE COMBAT CHECK
DIVIDE CRIPPLED TFs
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
Amphibious TF 275 unloading at Wotje
Amphibious TF 407 unloading at Wotje
REPAIRING SHIPS
END 12 HOUR PULSE
DIVIDE CRIPPLED TFs
CHECKING TF FUEL
TF'S RETURN TO PORT
Combat Events:
NAVAL REACTION PHASE
LOADING/UNLOADING TASK FORCES
35th Infantry Regiment sub units merging....
35th Infantry Regiment sub units merging....
35th Infantry Regiment sub units merging....
Amphibious TF 276 offshore of Wotje
Amphibious TF 281 offshore of Wotje
Amphibious TF 285 offshore of Wotje
TF 285 retires from Wotje ( 135,115 ) due to damage
Amphibious TF 489 offshore of Wotje
Amphibious TF 238 unloading at Wotje
Amphibious TF 407 unloading at Wotje
TASK FORCE LOADING/UNLOADING COMPLETE
CALCULATING TASK FORCE PATHS
MINESWEEPING OPERATIONS
NAVAL MOVEMENT PHASE
ADJUST SHIP FUEL
AIR OPERATIONS PHASE : AM
TF 7 sighted by Japanese Aircraft at 132,115 near Kwajalein Island
PT-249 has spotted a Japanese Recon at 132,115
TF 298 observes Japanese Float Plane at 135,117 near Maloelap
TF 39 followed by Japanese Aircraft at 64,127 near Derby
TF 346 shadowed by Japanese Float Fighter at 41,37 near Cocanada
TF 369 detected by Japanese Aircraft at 211,55 near Astoria
TF 147 sights Japanese Fighter Bomber at 157,51 near Kiska Island
TF 383 shadowed by Japanese Aircraft at 157,51 near Kiska Island
PB2Y-3 Coronado sighting report: 8 Japanese ships at 169,134 near Palmyra, speed 17, Moving West
B-26 Marauder sighting report: Japanese SS at 167,31 near Nome , Speed 10 , Moving East
B-26 Marauder attacking SS I-162 at 167,31
:::::::: SS I-162 is reported HIT
AIRCRAFT LANDING
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LCT-177 sinks....
LCT-179 sinks....
LCT-180 sinks....
LCT-329 sinks....
LCT-352 sinks....
LCT-360 sinks....
LCT-363 sinks....
LCT-372 sinks....
LCT-374 sinks....LTJG Hammond L. has been KILLED
LCT-377 sinks....
LCT-464 sinks....

From July 24th

SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LCT-321 sinks....
LCT-328 sinks....
LCT-351 sinks....
LCT-359 sinks....
LCT-376 sinks....
LCT-463 sinks....SURFACE COMBAT CHECK
DIVIDE CRIPPLED TFs
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LSD Carter Hall sinks....
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
xAK Alcoa Puritan sinks....
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LCT-320 sinks....
LCT-322 sinks....
LCT-330 sinks....
LCT-350 sinks....
LTJG Craven K. has been KILLED
LCT-354 sinks....
LCT-355 sinks....
LCT-358 sinks....
LCT-361 sinks....
LCT-375 sinks....
LCT-379 sinks....
LCT-465 sinks....

From July 25th

Combat Events:
NAVAL REACTION PHASE
LOADING/UNLOADING TASK FORCES
Amphibious TF 127 unloading at Wotje
Amphibious TF 238 offshore of Wotje
TF 238 retires from Wotje ( 135,115 ) due to damage
Amphibious TF 285 offshore of Wotje
TF 285 retires from Wotje ( 135,115 ) due to damage
Amphibious TF 440 offshore of Wotje
TF 440 retires from Wotje ( 135,115 ) due to damageTASK FORCE LOADING/UNLOADING COMPLETE
CALCULATING TASK FORCE PATHS
MINESWEEPING OPERATIONS
NAVAL MOVEMENT PHASE
ADJUST SHIP FUEL
AIR OPERATIONS PHASE : AM
TF 93 snooped by Japanese Fighter Bomber at 54,48 near Ramree Island
TF 39 snooped by Japanese Level Bomber at 64,127 near Derby
SS Saury sights Japanese Float Plane at 116,63 near Utsonomiya
SOC-1 Seagull reports submarine wake at 100, 128 near Buna
PB2Y-3 Coronado sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 111,140 near Rennell Island, speed 18, Moving West
SLDR Kimbrough V. of No.11 Sqn RAF is KILLED
AIRCRAFT LANDING
SHIP CREWS PERFORM DAMAGE CONTROL
LCT-137 sinks....
LCT-139 sinks....
LCT-170 sinks....
LCT-174 sinks....
LCT-366 sinks....
LCT-369 sinks....
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The ground combat on July 19th

Ground combat at Wotje (135,115)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7581 troops, 168 guns, 279 vehicles, Assault Value = 273

Defending force 3646 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 88

Allied adjusted assault: 7

Japanese adjusted defense: 21

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
475 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1596 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 90 destroyed, 82 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 51 (19 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (45 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Rgt /4
767th Tank Bn /2
102nd Combat Engr Rgt /1
19th Infantry Rgt /4
87th Mountain Rgt /1
39th USN SeaBees /1
808th EAB /1

Defending units:
44th Naval Guard Unit
Wotje Naval Fortress
Wotje Base Force


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More results from the operaiton

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 21, 43
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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AKA Centarus, Shell hits 2 BB Pennsylvania



15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging AKA Centarus at 12,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
APA Heywood, Shell hits 1
BB Pennsylvania



15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging APA Heywood at 12,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Pre-Invasion action off Wotje - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

47 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Cushing, Shell hits 1
DD Case



DD Cushing firing at Wotje Naval Fortress
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Case at 12,000 yards
DD Cushing fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Amphibious Assault at Wotje

TF 407 troops unloading over beach at Wotje, 135,115





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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Ascella, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Pennsylvania



12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging AK Ascella at 12,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

49 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Cushing, Shell hits 1
DD Case



DD Cushing firing at Wotje Naval Fortress
DD Case firing at Wotje Base Force
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Case at 12,000 yards
DD Cushing fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
DD Cushing firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Cushing at 3,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Cushing at 3,000 yards

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The next Day. There were some LCU casualties here


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 22, 43
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Pre-Invasion action off Wotje

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCT-178, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-171, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage LCT-170
LCT-179
LCT-180


Allied ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Wotje Base Force firing at LCT-178
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-171 at 6,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-171 at 6,000 yards
LCT-178 firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-178 at 1,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-178 at 1,000 yards
LCT-179 firing at enemy troops
LCT-180 firing at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft


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Amphibious Assault at Wotje

TF 238 troops unloading over beach at Wotje, 135,115


Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)




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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AK Ascella, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania



15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging AK Ascella at 12,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards

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Some more from July 23rdnvasion Support action off Wotje - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

33 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Quincy
CL Perth, Shell hits 3
DD Dent
xAK John B. Floyd


CA Quincy firing at Wotje Naval Fortress
CL Perth firing at Wotje Naval Fortress
DD Dent firing at Wotje Base Force
CA Quincy fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK John Adams, Shell hits 1
CA Quincy



15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK John Adams at 12,000 yards
CA Quincy fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
xAK John Adams, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA Quincy



15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK John Adams at 12,000 yards
CA Quincy fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

9 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCT-322, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT-324
LCT-320, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCT-327
LCT-330, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT-350, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage


15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-322 at 6,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-320 at 6,000 yards
LCT-327 firing at enemy troops
LCT-330 firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-330 at 1,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-330 at 1,000 yards
LCT-350 firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-350 at 1,000 yards
12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-350 at 1,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-350 at 1,000 yards


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCT-354, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
LCT-353
LCT-355, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-358, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCT-361, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-362


15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-354 at 6,000 yards
12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-353 at 6,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-355 at 6,000 yards
LCT-358 firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-358 at 1,000 yards
12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-358 at 1,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-358 at 1,000 yards
LCT-361 firing at enemy troops
15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-361 at 1,000 yards
12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-361 at 1,000 yards
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-361 at 1,000 yards
LCT-362 firing at enemy troops


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Invasion Support action off Wotje
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LCT-379, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-375, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-462
LCT-465, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-466


15cm 41YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-379 at 6,000 yards
12cm 3YT CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-375 at 6,000 yards
LCT-462 firing at enemy troops
LCT-465 firing at enemy troops
12cm 10YT DP Gun Coastal Battery engaging LCT-465 at 1,000 yards
LCT-466 firing at enemy troops

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Where the tide began to turn. My troops completely unsupplied. I was not able to get supplies ashore; each try became disrupted and the TF left without unloading. I finally won by sheer mass of troops, and probably the CD guns running out of supply themselves. They were sure never suppressed.


Ground combat at Wotje (135,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7528 troops, 153 guns, 306 vehicles, Assault Value = 206

Defending force 2767 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 39

Allied adjusted assault: 58

Japanese adjusted defense: 14

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
495 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
457 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 19 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 29 (17 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
19th Infantry Regiment
87th Mountain Regiment
767th Tank Battalion
27th Infantry Regiment
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
129th Infantry Rgt /62
I US Amphib Corps
808th Engineer Aviation Battalion
39th USN Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
44th Naval Guard Unit
Wotje Naval Fortress
Wotje Base Force

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There's more but you get the idea. I also lost two DDs somewhere in there, but I can' t find the report.

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I checked the TOE in the game and Oahu has only four 16-in guns if I read it right. Also some 14-inchers and railroad 8-inchers, and a pantload of 155s. From discusisons this week it seems as if the game's 16-inch TOE might be light. What was their rate of fire? If they were installed post-WWI, did they have SOTA loading gear? And how many rounds do you get out of a WWI-era barrel? (Not in the game of course.) You left out a boatload of 12-inchers, and a dozen 9.2-inchers..., whereas in your Wotje example the largest defending guns are 5.9", with some 4.7" backup.

I also notice, in looking at my Wotje data, that AKs in the game while under CD fire seem to always be at either 12,000 yds, or 1000 yds, making me think that range is window-dressing in the algorithm. Maybe. I think range ought to be hugely important in target selection, and especially hit rate, followed by target speed and maneuverability, but it might not be that complex as coded. The problem with "speed and manueverability" is that to deliver accurate fire from a ship, speed and manuever have to be curtailed considerably, while to unload the transports they have to stop. But "you're dead" on about there being problems in the targeting program and the shooting algorithm.

[bradfordkay]

tks, moose... those reports certainly cast a different light on the subject compared to the reports you had posted earlier. 

[John Lansford]

Oahu also had 12" mortars and 240mm howitzers capable of hitting targets at 12,000 yds, as well as 5" and 155mm guns at prepared positions.  The 16" guns were there to keep enemy BB's and CA's from getting too close; the 16" guns were added after navies went to that caliber for their most modern BB's.

[Grunt]

I have read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread closely and skimmed the rest...so sorry if this has been done and commented upon already; but I loaded up the first turn of scen 1 as IJN and, using the forces destined for Kuantan, formed an invasion TF similar to this PH invasion in composition. I then set Bataan as the destination. Bataan, of course, has some serious CD defenses. I saw similar results in that the escorts (PBs, SCs and some DDs...9 or 10 total) soaked up almost all of the fire. Only one xAKL was hit out of approx 60 transports. Did the same with scen 2 and saw the same thing. In each case troops got ashore easily and captured Bataan with the first shock attack.

Definitely apparent to me that the firing routines for CD guns are to target the escorts. Six PBs took multiple heavy caliber hits but remained afloat with 95-99 flt damage.

[John Lansford]

ORIGINAL: Grunt

I have read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread closely and skimmed the rest...so sorry if this has been done and commented upon already; but I loaded up the first turn of scen 1 as IJN and, using the forces destined for Kuantan, formed an invasion TF similar to this PH invasion in composition. I then set Bataan as the destination. Bataan, of course, has some serious CD defenses. I saw similar results in that the escorts (PBs, SCs and some DDs...9 or 10 total) soaked up almost all of the fire. Only one xAKL was hit out of approx 60 transports. Did the same with scen 2 and saw the same thing. In each case troops got ashore easily and captured Bataan with the first shock attack.

Definitely apparent to me that the firing routines for CD guns are to target the escorts. Six PBs took multiple heavy caliber hits but remained afloat with 95-99 flt damage.

That tells me it's not someone's clever invasion preparation, it's a failing subroutine involving the coast defenses when confronted with large invasion forces. Has anyone tried testing this with Allied forces against a Japanese fortified base yet?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: WITPPL

We have already turned back time.

OK then, my advice: Onward McDuff! Regardless of the fact that he now knows you're coming, you have big material and positional superiority.

You could also look at this angle. You said you felt getting ashore against those defenses with 99% was unrealistic, and I agree with that in spite of your masterful preparations. So, any additional (above the 1%) casualties that he can cause by virtue of knowing that you are coming will help to even out this particular short-coming of the game engine.

As JWE pointed out, you land on Oahu. Maybe you smash Oahu. The real challenge still lies ahead anyway.

Give 'em hell!

[8D]

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: Grunt

I have read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread closely and skimmed the rest...so sorry if this has been done and commented upon already; but I loaded up the first turn of scen 1 as IJN and, using the forces destined for Kuantan, formed an invasion TF similar to this PH invasion in composition. I then set Bataan as the destination. Bataan, of course, has some serious CD defenses. I saw similar results in that the escorts (PBs, SCs and some DDs...9 or 10 total) soaked up almost all of the fire. Only one xAKL was hit out of approx 60 transports. Did the same with scen 2 and saw the same thing. In each case troops got ashore easily and captured Bataan with the first shock attack.

Definitely apparent to me that the firing routines for CD guns are to target the escorts. Six PBs took multiple heavy caliber hits but remained afloat with 95-99 flt damage.

That tells me it's not someone's clever invasion preparation, it's a failing subroutine involving the coast defenses when confronted with large invasion forces. Has anyone tried testing this with Allied forces against a Japanese fortified base yet?

Sounds like a good idea. One thing I know, the devs have never stopped encouraging testing! This has been a truly interesting thread. Hopefully it will result in positive changes.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I checked the TOE in the game and Oahu has only four 16-in guns if I read it right. Also some 14-inchers and railroad 8-inchers, and a pantload of 155s. From discusisons this week it seems as if the game's 16-inch TOE might be light. What was their rate of fire? If they were installed post-WWI, did they have SOTA loading gear? And how many rounds do you get out of a WWI-era barrel? (Not in the game of course.) You left out a boatload of 12-inchers, and a dozen 9.2-inchers..., whereas in your Wotje example the largest defending guns are 5.9", with some 4.7" backup.

I wasn't trying to give a complete Oahu inventory. More commenting that the 16-in quantity in game is less than we had been discussing, when including the Ft. Weaver guns plus the Barber's Point guns and any others.

The Wotje guys were enough to sink 2 DDs, and cripple two cruisers and give a BB 15 sys damage. Not to mention what they did to the merchants. Part of this whole experience for me was due to me always having heard about Tarawa and Kwajalein in this campaign, and nothing really about the rest of the islands. Those two invasions were pretty easy CD-wise. So I was stunned at what a fortress Wotje was, and I kept feeding in resources thinking "This can't go on like this." But, it did. I didn't really beat the CD. When I peeked into the Japanese side, really more interested in seeing what the devs had put there than in maintaining any sort of game integrity, I found them with 44 supply remaining. That's when I ordered the final shock attacks that took out the base. If they'd have been well-supplied, I think I'd have needed many more BBs and a month of LBA softening up. It was a stunning surprice. Which, as I said somewhere, is one of my tests for an interesting AE game. It was a horrible, interesting surprise.

The problem with "speed and manueverability" is that to deliver accurate fire from a ship, speed and manuever have to be curtailed considerably, while to unload the transports they have to stop.

I was more speaking to the difficulty of CD in hitting maneuvering ships. No matter how well they're bore-sighted there's a time lag between shooting and inpact. A 20-knot DD is pretty agile.

[bklooste]

I'm not sure that Japan historically had the lift capacity to invade PI, Java and Hawaii at the same time. 3 divisions and 9 regiments, plus supporting troops to Hawaii???? I could see that if he decided to not invade PI.

I thought I read in this thread that PI were already taken, and the invasion of Java was underway. Seems like an awful lot of amphibious operations in less than 2 months.

There was a post on the net which calculated they could do it calculated fuel ships , stowage and everything.

[bklooste]

Agree there is some issue with CD guns they seem to mainly cause disruption now this is great where your forced to do a shock but when your not they can just dump the supply and rest ( or should we shock counterattack.. risky) , also the gunnery selection of small ships is still an issues ( Nells torpedoing small boats)  and 15" guns targetting PBs which would be left to the smaller guns.  Note some of the large guns could cover a lot of the island on 360 degree mounts

[WITPPL]

ORIGINAL: Grunt

I have read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread closely and skimmed the rest...so sorry if this has been done and commented upon already; but I loaded up the first turn of scen 1 as IJN and, using the forces destined for Kuantan, formed an invasion TF similar to this PH invasion in composition. I then set Bataan as the destination. Bataan, of course, has some serious CD defenses. I saw similar results in that the escorts (PBs, SCs and some DDs...9 or 10 total) soaked up almost all of the fire. Only one xAKL was hit out of approx 60 transports. Did the same with scen 2 and saw the same thing. In each case troops got ashore easily and captured Bataan with the first shock attack.
Definitely apparent to me that the firing routines for CD guns are to target the escorts. Six PBs took multiple heavy caliber hits but remained afloat with 95-99 flt damage.

[Oddball_France]

Reading the thread, i just souht a funny thing : let's get rid of all the Malaya campaign and invade Singapore on day 1.
I did that on head to head, half an hour time, "just to see".

I basically send the whole fleet which was due to leave Samah, joined together in a mega fleet (100 ship, whith max escorts, and so on).

I sent the BBs (I sent them just next to Singapore hexe) as well and as it was a try, and the KB, to try to catch the Z force (maybe not necessary).

Results ? Singapore taken on the 8th of december 41 [8D]
Not much a real opponent could have done more, i think. not enough time to do anything, basically
Losses ? not much, 5 DMS, 1 DD, 2 APD, 2 PB, and 3 AK... A lot of damaged ones but they are now disbanded in Singapore's harbor

Was I lucky ? maybe.

On day one, the KB fought the Z Force, on day tw, i sent every plane on ground attack, to Singapore


Some details :

Day Time Surface Combat, near Mersing at 52,82, Range 21,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      BB Kongo, Shell hits 1
      BB Haruna, Shell hits 3
      CA Takao
      CA Atago
      CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1
      DD Asashio
      DD Oshio, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires
      DD Michishio, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires
      DD Arashio
      DD Akatsuki
      DD Hibiki
 
Allied Ships
      BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 4,  on fire
      BC Repulse, Shell hits 13,  on fire
      DD Vampire, Shell hits 7,  heavy fires
      DD Tenedos, Shell hits 1,  on fire
      DD Electra, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
      DD Express, Shell hits 4,  on fire

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 21,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 21,000 yards
BB Haruna fires at BB Prince of Wales at 21,000 yards
BB Kongo fires at BC Repulse at 21,000 yards
CA Atago launches Long Lance Torpedoes at BC Repulse at 21,000 yards
CA Takao launches Long Lance Torpedoes at DD Electra at 21,000 yards
CL Jintsu launches Long Lance Torpedoes at BB Prince of Wales at 21,000 yards
DD Hibiki launches Long Lance Torpedoes at BC Repulse at 21,000 yards
DD Akatsuki launches Long Lance Torpedoes at DD Electra at 21,000 yards
DD Oshio launches Long Lance Torpedoes at BC Repulse at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards

...


Day Time Surface Combat, near Singapore at 50,84, Range 21,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      CA Chokai, Shell hits 4
      CL Sendai
      DD Shinonome
      DD Usugumo
      DD Shirakumo
      DD Isonami
      DD Hatsuyuki
      DD Murakumo
      DD Shikinami
      DD Ayanami
      DD Asagiri
      DD Sagiri
      DD Yugiri
      APD Fuji
      APD Hagi
      TB Hiyodori
      TB Hayabusa
      DMS W-1
      DMS W-2, Shell hits 1
      DMS W-3
      DMS W-5
      DMS W-6
      PB Chosa Maru
      PB Heiei Maru #7
      PB Tatsumiya Maru
      CM Hatsutaka
      AK Hirokawa Maru
      AV Kamikawa Maru
      AK Sado Maru
      AK Sagami Maru
      AK Sakura Maru
      AK Sasako Maru
      AK Kinka Maru
      AK Kyushu Maru
      AK Tosan Maru
      xAK Arima Maru
      xAK Ayatosan Maru
      xAK Kansai Maru
      xAK Kashii Maru
      xAK Nankai Maru
      AV Sanyo Maru
      xAK Aobasan Maru
      xAK Asosan Maru
      xAK Asakasan Maru
      xAK Atutasan Maru
      xAK Kinugawa Maru
      xAK Kenyo Maru
      xAK Kogyo Maru
      xAK Tatutaki Maru
      xAK Teiyo Maru
      xAK Tatumiya Maru
      xAK Nako Maru
      xAK Naruto Maru
      xAK Noto Maru
      xAK Nissyu Maru
      xAK Mogamigawa Maru
      xAK Koryu Maru
      xAK Syoka Maru
      xAK Kokai Maru
      xAKL Meiko Maru, Shell hits 1,  heavy damage
 
Allied Ships
      CL Danae, Shell hits 9,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
 
Japanese ground losses:
      11 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



TF 91 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
 
19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Japanese Ships
      DMS W-6, Shell hits 5,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DMS W-5, Shell hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DMS W-3, Shell hits 7,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DMS W-2, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DMS W-1, Shell hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
      CL Sendai, Mine hits 1
      DD Yugiri, Mine hits 1
      DD Sagiri, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DD Asagiri, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      DD Ayanami, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DD Shikinami, Mine hits 1
      DD Murakumo, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DD Hatsuyuki, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      DD Isonami, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DD Shirakumo, Mine hits 1
      DD Usugumo, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DD Shinonome, Mine hits 1
      TB Hayabusa, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      TB Hiyodori, Mine hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      PB Tatsumiya Maru, Mine hits 1
      PB Heiei Maru #7, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      PB Chosa Maru, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      CM Hatsutaka, Mine hits 1
      AV Sanyo Maru, Mine hits 1
      AV Kamikawa Maru, Mine hits 1
      APD Hagi, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      APD Fuji, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      LSD Shinshu Maru, Mine hits 1
      AK Tosan Maru, Mine hits 1,  on fire
      AK Kyushu Maru, Mine hits 1,  heavy damage
      AK Kinka Maru, Mine hits 1,  on fire
 
Japanese ground losses:
      82 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
 
 
 
Singapore Fortress firing at DMS W-6
Singapore Fortress firing at DMS W-5
Singapore Fortress firing at DMS W-3
Singapore Fortress firing at DMS W-2
Singapore Fortress firing at DMS W-1
19 mines cleared


PoW and Repulse TF sunk by air raids (no details needed i think)


TF 91 encounters mine field at Singapore (50,84)
 
Japanese Ships
      DD Yugiri
      DD Ayanami,  heavy damage
      DD Hatsuyuki,  heavy damage
      DD Shirakumo
      TB Hayabusa,  heavy damage
      CA Chokai, Mine hits 1
 
 
 
6 mines cleared
 


Pre-Invasion action off Singapore
 
52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Japanese Ships
      CA Chokai
      DD Yugiri
      xAKL Meiko Maru,  heavy damage
      xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 1,  heavy fires
      CL Sendai
 
Japanese ground losses:
      112 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      6 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
CA Chokai firing at 3rd Cavalry Regiment
DD Yugiri firing at 3rd Cavalry Regiment
6" Mk V/VII Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy troops at 12,000 yards
15" CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21 at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft



Amphibious Assault at Singapore
 
TF 91 troops unloading over beach at Singapore, 50,84
 
Japanese ground losses:
      735 casualties reported
         Squads: 29 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 27 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
 
 
 
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 56th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 42nd Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 42nd Infantry Rgt /2
17 troops of a IJA Motorized Squad accidentally lost during unload of 5th Recon Rgt /1
17 troops of a IJA Motorized Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Recon Rgt /1
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 16th Nav Gd
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost in surf during unload of 16th Nav Gd
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Ind. Engr Rgt
8 Aviation Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 18th JAAF Base Force /2
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 54th Const Co /3
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 12th Engr Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost in surf during unload of 5th Engr Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 84th JAAF AF Bn
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 84th JAAF AF Bn
Type 97 Medium Tank lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Tank Rgt
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost overboard during unload of 15th Nav Gd /3
Motorized Support lost overboard during unload of 25th Army
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost in surf during unload of 15th Ind. Engr Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 15th Ind. Engr Rgt
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 8th JNAF Coy /2
8 Naval Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 11th Shipping Engr Rgt
15cm T04 Howitzer lost in surf during unload of 3rd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad accidentally lost during unload of 23rd Ind. Engr Rgt
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 23rd Ind. Engr Rgt
8 Engineers lost overboard during unload of 23rd Ind. Engr Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
37mm Type 94 AT Gun lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /2
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad accidentally lost during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 5th FA Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /3
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /3
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 12th Engr Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 16th Nav Gd /1
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt /3
Motorized Support dropped into water during unload of 3rd Medium FA Rgt
8 Engineers lost overboard during unload of 8th JNAF Coy
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 18th JAAF Base Force
8 Aviation Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 18th JAAF Base Force



Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)
 
Allied Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 6639 troops, 151 guns, 18 vehicles, Assault Value = 230
 
Defending force 39270 troops, 405 guns, 314 vehicles, Assault Value = 1185
 
Japanese ground losses:
      58 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      150 casualties reported
         Squads: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Assaulting units:
    2nd Malay Battalion
    1st Malay Battalion
    1st Manchester Battalion
    3rd Cavalry Regiment
    2nd Loyal Battalion
    2/17 Dogra Battalion
    SSVF Brigade
    2nd Gordons Battalion
    Singapore Fortress
    2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
    Singapore Base Force
    24th NZ Pioneer Coy
    Malaya Army
    224 Group RAF
    Malayan Air Wing
    1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
    22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
 
Defending units:
    56th Infantry Rgt /1
    5th Engr Rgt /1
    12th Engr Rgt /1
    15th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
    21st Infantry Rgt /1
    42nd Infantry Rgt /1
    23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
    16th Nav Gd /4
    15th Nav Gd /1
    55th Infantry Rgt /1
    5th Recon Rgt /2
    11th Infantry Rgt /1
    41st Infantry Rgt /1
    114th Infantry Rgt /1
    1st Tank Rgt /1
    4th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
    6th JNAF Coy /1
    54th Const Co /1
    5th JAAF AF Coy /1
    25th Army /2
    20th AA Rgt /1
    84th JAAF AF Bn /1
    34th Fld AA Bn /1
    5th Field AF Const Bn /1
    18th Medium FA Rgt /1
    18th JAAF Base Force /1
    3rd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt /1
    3rd Medium FA Rgt /1
    21st JAAF AF Bn /1
    11th Shipping Engr Rgt /1
    53rd Const Co /1
    8th JNAF Coy /3
    55th Const Co /1
    5th FA Rgt /1
 


That was day one

[Oddball_France]

reserved for day 2


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 08, 41
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Invasion Support action off Singapore - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

124 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai, Shell hits 17, heavy fires, heavy damage - not sunk
DD Yugiri
xAKL Meiko Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Sendai

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



CA Chokai firing at Singapore Fortress
DD Yugiri firing at 3rd Cavalry Regiment
6" Mk V/VII Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy troops at 12,000 yards
15" CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21 at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft



Invasion Support action off Singapore

39 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Meiko Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Chokai, heavy damage
xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Sendai

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



6" Mk V/VII Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy troops at 12,000 yards
15" CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21 at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft


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Invasion Support action off Singapore
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Chokai, heavy damage
xAKL Meiko Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage



6" Mk V/VII Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21 at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy troops at 12,000 yards
15" CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards




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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
B5N2 Kate x 89
D3A1 Val x 96



Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 23 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed, 37 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 4 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
274 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (0 destroyed, 9 disabled)


Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
No.243 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
No.453 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead
No.488 Sqn RAF with Buffalo I (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

Also attacking Malaya Army ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Malaya Army ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 2nd Loyal Battalion ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking SSVF Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Malayan Air Wing ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 2nd Gordons Battalion ...
Also attacking 224 Group RAF ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking Singapore Base Force ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 2/17 Dogra Battalion ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Malay Battalion ...



Invasion Support action off Singapore
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Chokai, heavy damage
xAKL Sasago Maru
xAK Ayatosan Maru
xAP Brazil Maru
LSD Shinshu Maru



6" Mk V/VII Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy troops at 12,000 yards
15" CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Sasago Maru at 12,000 yards
CA Chokai fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
xAK Ayatosan Maru firing at enemy guns
xAP Brazil Maru firing at enemy troops
LSD Shinshu Maru firing at enemy troops


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Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 38575 troops, 369 guns, 234 vehicles, Assault Value = 1262

Defending force 15091 troops, 235 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 217

Japanese adjusted assault: 599

Allied adjusted defense: 163

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Singapore !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
953 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (0 destroyed, 11 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
13976 casualties reported
Squads: 234 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 1204 destroyed, 116 disabled
Engineers: 86 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 213 (209 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 154 (154 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 13
Units destroyed 2


Assaulting units:
114th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
42nd Infantry Rgt /1
5th Engineer Regiment
55th Infantry Rgt /1
15th Naval Guard Unit
23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Recon Rgt /2
41st Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
16th Naval Guard Unit
11th Infantry Regiment
1st Tank Rgt /1
56th Infantry Rgt /1
21st Infantry Rgt /1
5th Field Artillery Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Shipping Engineer Regiment
5th JAAF AF Coy
8th JNAF Coy
53rd Const Co
34th Field AA Battalion
21st JAAF AF Bn
5th Field AF Construction Battalion
20th AA Regiment
54th Const Co
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
18th JAAF Base Force
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
6th JNAF Coy
55th Const Co
25th Army /2

Defending units:
2nd Malay Battalion
1st Manchester Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
2nd Gordons Battalion
2/17 Dogra Battalion
SSVF Brigade
1st Malay Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
Singapore Fortress
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
224 Group RAF
Singapore Base Force
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
Malaya Army
Malayan Air Wing
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment


and that's it

HR needed, i guess [:D]

[Oddball_France]

I forgot to mention :
all the units i checked (the "big" rgts) had something like 0 to 3 disruption and fatigue before i launched the assault, with 0 preparation for Singapore (didn't check but i guess so)

(sorry for spelling mistakes, i'm not a native english and i type too fast)

[WITPPL]

Here we go!

No problem with the game engine. Not at all.

or....

It was perfectly possible in a real world just not tested [;)]

[PaxMondo]

I'm not seeing a problem.  Jap commits it's entire national force against Singapore in a surprise attack.  Why doesn't that work?  It's PH only smaller.  
 
In any case, it is just a trade-off and one that I think is entirely within the realm of options of the JAP player for day 1.  You potentially get the SRA secured about 1 month earlier, BUT you let the USN off the hook entirely.  That means the Allies counter-offensive can start almost one year earlier.  I don't see this as a winning strategy for the JAP player, but I guess we can watch an AAR play out and see how it works.  Be interesting to watch.  I think this is what AE is about, neh?