LA Oil - Can I Ship It?

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I attempted to fill a tanker with oil in Los Angeles in order to ship the oil to Australia. But the tanker never loaded any oil. Is there some special way that I am supposed to do this, or is there something that specifically prevents me from shipping oil out of the US ports? I have been able to transport resources in AKs.

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Ports will not give up oil beyond their need. LA probably has industry that places "reserves" on a certan amount of oil Unfortunately the base screen does not show this value.
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So, how do you tell if this is the case?  Will STaff or Tracker tell you?
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I attempted to fill a tanker with oil in Los Angeles in order to ship the oil to Australia. But the tanker never loaded any oil. Is there some special way that I am supposed to do this, or is there something that specifically prevents me from shipping oil out of the US ports? I have been able to transport resources in AKs.

Thx


If you leave a TK in port loading, but set it to 'do not unload' it will keep loading any surpless oil each turn. Can be a slow process but it depends on the difference between that produced and that needed.
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So, how do you tell if this is the case?  Will STaff or Tracker tell you?


Yes, it does.
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Ports will not give up oil beyond their need. LA probably has industry that places "reserves" on a certan amount of oil Unfortunately the base screen does not show this value.

Oh, okay. I probably tried it too early in the game before an excess was built up.

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If you leave a TK in port loading, but set it to 'do not unload' it will keep loading any surpless oil each turn. Can be a slow process but it depends on the difference between that produced and that needed.

Okay, I'll try that.

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The question is, though, why are you shipping oil anywhere?  It is far, far better to just ship fuel to whereever you were planning on sending the oil.  If you're sending it to Oz, the entire continent only has two small refineries and they generate enough oil to keep them running.  Nowhere else needs oil (need a refinery to turn it into fuel) but industry and ships all need fuel.  Don't send oil, send fuel!
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The Allies should never load a RESOURCE or OIL onto a ship, period. It's a waste of time.
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The Allies should never load a RESOURCE or OIL onto a ship, period. It's a waste of time.

Not even to deny it to the Japanese?
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ok remember we are talking about in LA.. there are early war limited applications of pulling fuel, then oil out, good luck....
But to reiterate the point, oil to OZ not a good idea, fuel to Oz great idea, remember it can go from Capetown too,
I find myself shipping to Perth against the ia, not sure if a human would try to interecept these though
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Not even to deny it to the Japanese?
That is what I try to do. In one of my games, I tried to do that in DEI and lost many tankers to subs and mini-kb. It is heart breaking to see a large tanker leaving Palembang, full of fuel and get two torpedoes in it the next day. In the other PBEM, I did get a lot of fuel to Darwin/Broome before the area got to hot and then my foe promptly took those two ports and got it back. I just sort of collected it for him. He did thank me. My subs have sunk some tankers trying to get it out of there and back to Japan. In both of my PBEMs, my foes struck early at Northern Australia. I do like to remove fuel from DEI but perhaps must consider taking it further away in future PBEMs.
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ok remember we are talking about in LA.. there are early war limited applications of pulling fuel, then oil out, good luck....
But to reiterate the point, oil to OZ not a good idea, fuel to Oz great idea, remember it can go from Capetown too,
I find myself shipping to Perth against the ia, not sure if a human would try to interecept these though
good luck

well, the statement was "never"...i used to try and load up oil and resourses from SRA early in the war to deny them to the invaders...even if the transports get sunk, the VP loss was acceptable in my mind, as long as Japan didn't get thier grubby mitts on them...it wasn't about using the stuff somewhere else, it was just denial...*shrug*

edit: except maybe the tankers...those should run like heck...
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One could probably ship one TK load of Oil to Oz per year, if wanting to maximize the small refineries there. Fuel one needs in large quantities everywhere, Oz included.
 
I ship fuel to Perth from Cape Town. I stopped shipping it from Abadan, because IJ AI has nasty tendency to use some of it's carriers in raids between Colombo and Diego Garcia. Losing couple of TFs full of big TKs hurt. They are also quite valuable pointswise. I use smaller tankers evaquated from DEI to shuttle the fuel to Sydney. Those TK TFs south of Oz need to be escorted, place is sometimes infested with IJN subs.
 
I also ship fuel from WC and Panama to Suva. From Suva, it is easy to ship it to NZ or Oz.
 
 
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Back when the DEI was still Allied in my CG, I did consider moving oil out of those bases down to Brisbane (where I think there's a small refinery).  The long turnaround time, though, meant too many of those small coastal tankers were tied up hauling oil when they could have been hauling fuel to Darwin, and besides, there was so much oil at Balikpapan, Palemban and Surabaya that I would have barely dented the supply.
 
What I did do was start hauling as much fuel as I could get from those bases, using AK's along with the tankers, down to Darwin.  I kept up the fuel convoys from those bases until the LBA threat got too much.
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edit: except maybe the tankers...those should run like heck...
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What I did do was start hauling as much fuel as I could get from those bases, using AK's along with the tankers, down to Darwin. I kept up the fuel convoys from those bases until the LBA threat got too much.
That is what I did also. I was smugly sitting there when Zackary attacked with three divisions. It was a nasty fight, but I was pushed back to Katherine. And he got the fuel.
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The Allies should never load a RESOURCE or OIL onto a ship, period. It's a waste of time.

Not even to deny it to the Japanese?

Only if you have hauled out all the fuel first. It doesn't make much difference if it's OIL or FUEL I suppose that you haul out, but FUEL is more valuable to the Japanese if left behind, because it can be immediately used for OPS, whereas OIL cannot, so why not haul FUEL first?

You can haul resources to deny it to the Japanese, but you don't need to. There are more Resources in the SRA than the Japanese need anyway; all you basically need is closer to Japan. Hauling resources to deny to Japanese is futile.

I stand by my statement: There is no need at all for the Allies to haul Oil or Resources.
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you'll be busy trying to haul out the 1,000,000 fuel points sitting around
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The question is, though, why are you shipping oil anywhere?  It is far, far better to just ship fuel to whereever you were planning on sending the oil.  If you're sending it to Oz, the entire continent only has two small refineries and they generate enough oil to keep them running.  Nowhere else needs oil (need a refinery to turn it into fuel) but industry and ships all need fuel.  Don't send oil, send fuel!

Australia has been sucking up any and all fuel that I send there - I'm not sure why - and the fuel doesn't seem to move between the Australian bases well. And I've been shipping a lot of fuel in.

So I figured that I'd send in some oil just to try to cut back on the fuel usage. If that doesn't help then I won't bother.

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Fuel doesn't move. Supply does.


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