IJN Carrier Air Groups

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RE: IJN Carrier Air Groups

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CVE's can perform air transport, but so can AK's


'cept with CVE's you can fly land based air off of them to a distant base and the aircraft don't need to be repaired.
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Thanks for the reply everyone.  It has been very informative.  This is my first grand campaign.

I read that some players don't even bother building the CVE's.

The CVE's are somewhat....anemic....in the airpower department.

CVE's are slow.

CVE's are favorite targets of subs, making their use as roving ASW ships somewhat questionable.

CVE's can perform air transport, but so can AK's

CVE's use merchant build points that might be better spent building TK's before the US subs sink so many that you're behind the curve trying to catch up....except you start behind the curve and can never really catch up.....[;)]

I like them as ASW assets, or at least I did so in Witp. Jury is still out in AE, but I intend to try them in that role.
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US CVE ship crewmembers said that the acronym stands for "Combustible, Vulnerable and Expendable"....
 
 
 
 
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IJN CVE's definitely de-fanged a bit. Can't carry torps, and the Japanese now don't have many CV-capable units you can put on there anyway.

I used to use them with Baby-KB; probably not anymore.
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I plan on using them to train "carrier capable" to "carrier trained" groups.

Edit: Kind of how the Hosho was used historically. Also, they can be used as aircraft transports.
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ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: jolly_pillager

ORIGINAL: jomni

Thanks for the reply everyone.  It has been very informative.  This is my first grand campaign.

I read that some players don't even bother building the CVE's.

The CVE's are somewhat....anemic....in the airpower department.

CVE's are slow.

CVE's are favorite targets of subs, making their use as roving ASW ships somewhat questionable.

CVE's can perform air transport, but so can AK's

CVE's use merchant build points that might be better spent building TK's before the US subs sink so many that you're behind the curve trying to catch up....except you start behind the curve and can never really catch up.....[;)]

I like them as ASW assets, or at least I did so in Witp. Jury is still out in AE, but I intend to try them in that role.

I generally stick some fighters on them and use them for extra cap or to cap invasion fleets/convoys. The Japanese historically used them mostly as aircraft transports IIRC.
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I plan on using them to train "carrier capable" to "carrier trained" groups.

Edit: Kind of how the Hosho was used historically. Also, they can be used as aircraft transports.

Side Note: I am surprised that Hosho is now a 20-A/C capable ship, though only 6 torps on board. Set the airgroups to expand, and it's 10 Zeros and 10 Kates; more valuable than it used to be.
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I plan on using them to train "carrier capable" to "carrier trained" groups.

Edit: Kind of how the Hosho was used historically. Also, they can be used as aircraft transports.

Side Note: I am surprised that Hosho is now a 20-A/C capable ship, though only 6 torps on board. Set the airgroups to expand, and it's 10 Zeros and 10 Kates; more valuable than it used to be.

Technically it should only have a capacity of 11, the air wing was reduced when it was converted to a training carrier.
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WARNING:
Jap CVE Airgroups will become available over time. At least in scen 1 I can see the airgroups of Unyo, Chuyo aso......in the "Aircraft Reinforcement" screen becoming available at around mid to end 1943. The same for CVL Ryujo (or was it Ryuho?) which is due to arrive late 1942. I can't check right now, so I'm not sure if these CVE airgroups come "carrier trained" or only "capable".
The player has to decide if he will wait until late 43 for the designated airgroups or if he likes to station other "capable" airgroups earlier on the CVEs.
I usually use them to ferry airgroups from/to Japan. Historically this was also their main job aside from convoy duty later in the war. So I do not need airgroups for these CVEs. I even think about using those arriving airgroups as land based units. I guess they might live longer this way. [;)]
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WARNING:
Jap CVE Airgroups will become available over time. At least in scen 1 I can see the airgroups of Unyo, Chuyo aso......in the "Aircraft Reinforcement" screen becoming available at around mid to end 1943. The same for CVL Ryujo (or was it Ryuho?) which is due to arrive late 1942. I can't check right now, so I'm not sure if these CVE airgroups come "carrier trained" or only "capable".
The player has to decide if he will wait until late 43 for the designated airgroups or if he likes to station other "capable" airgroups earlier on the CVEs.
I usually use them to ferry airgroups from/to Japan. Historically this was also their main job aside from convoy duty later in the war. So I do not need airgroups for these CVEs. I even think about using those arriving airgroups as land based units. I guess they might live longer this way. [;)]
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