War in China

[composer99]

Once winter arrives (and with it good weather in the North Monsoon zone), the thinness of the Chinese line in the south (1 unit each hex) should allow the Japanese to seize the second resource and perhaps even Nanning with relative ease.

Sian will obviously be a tougher nut to crack; however with 5 hexes on it the IJA should make an effort sooner or later or they will run out of time. It's a lot easier starting the defence against Chinese build-up/counter-offensives from the city then being all stretched out like that.

[praem]

the second resource has allready been abandoned - it is just a qudtion of walking in - no need to wait for fine weather

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: praem

the second resource has allready been abandoned - it is just a qudtion of walking in - no need to wait for fine weather

Yes, but to transport it to home, Japanese troops will have to clear the railway of Chinese ZoC. So there need to be some fighting for that reason, at least for the 2 hexes NE and N of the resource hex.

[Jagdtiger14]

Just curious...where are the Chinese div's?  Would be really nice to put a Commy INF div in Si-An(pref the 2pt).  Both Chinese CAV div's could do some open field running in a couple places.  They are cheap and very useful, and cause the Japs to have to roll a net 20(2S result) instead of a net 19 to take a city with three units in it...and you get to shatter the best corp if there is a retreat route(as there is currently).
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[lomyrin]

The turn ended after Japan's moves for a short Septembe/October 40.

Japan did attack Si-An with a +7 on the 2D10 tables and rolled a 6 for a 13 net. All Japanese troops were disrupted but no losses to either side.
A few mionor moves were made in the south but no attacks in the rain.

Turn 8 - November/December 40 began with a Japanese impulse but snow in the north and fine in the south. Japan with a combined sent in 2 more infantry corps sailed directly into Canton. A groundstrike on Si-An disrupted one unit there but Japan awaits better weather than snow for an attack.

Reinforcements were placed by the Chinese prior to the Japanese moves and USA froze Japanese assets causing the withdrawal of 1 oil that no longer is sent to Japan and the buildpoint is no longer sentto the USA.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: lomyrin
Reinforcements were placed by the Chinese prior to the Japanese moves and USA froze Japanese assets causing the withdrawal of 1 oil that no longer is sent to Japan and the buildpoint is no longer sentto the USA.

The USA need to ship 2 oils. When they reduce the shiiping of resources, these are normal resources that are no more sent, not oil.

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: lomyrin
Reinforcements were placed by the Chinese prior to the Japanese moves and USA froze Japanese assets causing the withdrawal of 1 oil that no longer is sent to Japan and the buildpoint is no longer sentto the USA.

The USA need to ship 2 oils. When they reduce the shiiping of resources, these are normal resources that are no more sent, not oil.

Of course, I stated it wrong, it one less resource shipped. 1 now arrives instead of 2.

[lomyrin]

November/december 40 is going quickly, already impulse 3 for the first Chinese moves.

The communists are slowly getting into better positions with more troops. Soon they will have enough units to afford breaking one unit down into Divisons.

In the south the AA gun is moved to stack with the Mil in the forest hex near theresource to stiffen the hex defense a little.

The Chinese are also awaiting spring of 41, they believe Japan will have to reassign many units for a wider Pacific War by late spring or so.

[lomyrin]

Japans inpulse 5 in November/December 40. The time pressure on Japan is building and Japan decides to make a risky attack on Si-An again, this time it works but it costs Japan 1 Div and 1 Mil unit and most of them are disrupted so this is it for this front this turn.

In the south an attack in fine weather is made on a Chinese unit having a ZOC on the rail link Japan needs to have clear in order to ship the southern resource to Japan. An attack is made with HQ Yamamoto support but the net result is a 13 which only disrupts all the Japanese units with no Chinese losses and that is pretty much the end of Japans attacks in this area too for this turn.

[praem]

Isnt ZOC negated by the pressence of friendly units? Then we've played it wrong

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: praem

Isnt ZOC negated by the pressence of friendly units? Then we've played it wrong

For supply - yes. For tracing resources - no, although you can trace a resource out of a hex occupied by a friendly unit in an enemy ZOC, you can't trace further on along rail lines that are in enemy ZOC. For land movement - never.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: praem

Isnt ZOC negated by the pressence of friendly units? Then we've played it wrong

For supply - yes. For tracing resources - no, although you can trace a resource out of a hex occupied by a friendly unit in an enemy ZOC, you can't trace further on along rail lines that are in enemy ZOC. For land movement - never.

For rail movement... Wasn't there a rule that it could be possible to start or reach (but never cross) in an enemy ZOC but not both?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

ORIGINAL: praem

Isnt ZOC negated by the pressence of friendly units? Then we've played it wrong

For supply - yes. For tracing resources - no, although you can trace a resource out of a hex occupied by a friendly unit in an enemy ZOC, you can't trace further on along rail lines that are in enemy ZOC. For land movement - never.

For rail movement... Wasn't there a rule that it could be possible to start or reach (but never cross) in an enemy ZOC but not both?

Yes. Provided there is a friendly unit in the hex, rail movement can leave (and enter) enemy ZOCs, but once entering an enemy ZOC, they must stop.

[Joseignacio]

Thx Steve.

[Caquineur]

ORIGINAL: composer99
Noticed a typo in the Chungking warlord description. It reads "after the dead of Liu" in the second paragraph (if I recall correctly). The correct form is, I trust, obvious. [:)]

Thanks for that - I missed this one...

And thanks to lomyrin for this thread ! Very nice.

[lomyrin]

Snowy weather continues and the Cinese reinforced the weaker units in the south in the critical hexes for the resource to deny it to the Japanese.

Japan impulse 9 shows no better weather than in the past in this turn and Japan's units in positions for attacks both in the north and the south are all disrupted and cannot do anything this turn. Japan began moving a Marine from the front towards Changsha for railing to the coast later.

[sajbalk]

I realize the USSR is neutral, removing a large constraint from Japan. The weather has been moderate and the Japanese luck for combat perhaps a bit bad.

However, it seems like China is doing quite well and will hurt Japan later in the war.

From this example, Japan is in real trouble. Perhaps strat bombing is needed.

[micheljq]

I don't see the so called large USSR constraint on Japan. USSR almost never can afford a large commitment in Asia, because as soon as USSR will do this, Germany will come at his throat and kill USSR, at least in 1940-42.

[composer99]

Not if Germany is building for a Sealion, it won't.

[micheljq]

ORIGINAL: composer99

Not if Germany is building for a Sealion, it won't.

If I play Germany and prepares a Sealion, I will cancel it and attack USSR if it weakens his western front you can bet.