Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
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Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Does anyone have good data on the OOB of these units? I am particularly interested in the allotment of LCVP and LCM(3) to each Boat Battalion and the combat potential of each Shore Battalion. Also the "longshoreman" strength.
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?[:D]
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Only in Oz.... [8|] [:D]ORIGINAL: Knavey
Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?[:D]
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
You can probably find what you want here:
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/
Quite a bit of info there, if not poorly organized.
*** TRY THIS ONE ***
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/toc.htm
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/c-6-1.pdf
This book is available for about $75 - $100.
“Amphibian Engineer Operations”
“Engineers of the South Pacific 1941-45, Volume IV”
published by the Office of the Chief Engineer, US Army Corps, 1959.
A library that has it:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn1635517
Might find something useful here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/wwii/
or Neihorster's site:
http://niehorster.orbat.com/013_usa/__usa.htm
But probably that first link with all the pamphlets eventually yield an TOE.
-F-
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/
Quite a bit of info there, if not poorly organized.
*** TRY THIS ONE ***
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/toc.htm
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/c-6-1.pdf
This book is available for about $75 - $100.
“Amphibian Engineer Operations”
“Engineers of the South Pacific 1941-45, Volume IV”
published by the Office of the Chief Engineer, US Army Corps, 1959.
A library that has it:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn1635517
Might find something useful here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/wwii/
or Neihorster's site:
http://niehorster.orbat.com/013_usa/__usa.htm
But probably that first link with all the pamphlets eventually yield an TOE.
-F-
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Thanks, I've been through most of these without much luck. Lots of general statements but not the details I'm looking for.
Will keep looking...
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
http://ebsr.net/3rdESB.htm
Go to their website, general OOB listed. For the details, many POC's listed for their upcoming reunion, who will likely be overjoyed to give them to you...
Go to their website, general OOB listed. For the details, many POC's listed for their upcoming reunion, who will likely be overjoyed to give them to you...
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Thanks. Been all over that site too. The suggestion to contact them for possible help is a good one - I'll do that.
Most of the official publications speak in generalities, while most of the personal memoirs do not give any unit details. Until Jack Hays gets to Volume 10, it's a real bitch getting TOEs for engineering units. Even the quarter-a-page copy sites do not have the ESP units.
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Don,
Have you looked in the Australian Histories?
Either the periods covering the Lae landings or the Borneo landings
Have you looked in the Australian Histories?
Either the periods covering the Lae landings or the Borneo landings
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10 Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10 Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Does this help a little on strength - http://home.st.net.au/~pdunn/usarmy/4thengamphbde.htm
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10 Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
It appears that you can order just the section you need for a Buck - one US dollar....
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10 Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
It appears that you can order just the section you need for a Buck - one US dollar....
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
http://ebsr.net/index.htm
I am not sure this has the detail you are looking for but bits and pieces about some of the units.
I am not sure this has the detail you are looking for but bits and pieces about some of the units.
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
ORIGINAL: Hornblower
I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10 Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29
This one looks good, although the mail-only ordering and high shipping costs are underwonderful.
Thanks
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Anything to help the cause..
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
Not a lot of detail
The "Amphibs", as they were known, were specially selected from
men with maritime or other relevant experience . Eventually three brigades
of "Amphibs", the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Engineer Special Brigades, served
in the Pacific . The establishment of a brigade was 360 officers, 7,000 men
and 550 landing craft ; each brigade included three Boat and Shore Regiments
Can this book be found?
History of the Second Engineer Special Brigade,
.
http://www.2esb.org/04_History/Book/Chapter_01.htm
The "Amphibs", as they were known, were specially selected from
men with maritime or other relevant experience . Eventually three brigades
of "Amphibs", the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Engineer Special Brigades, served
in the Pacific . The establishment of a brigade was 360 officers, 7,000 men
and 550 landing craft ; each brigade included three Boat and Shore Regiments
Can this book be found?
History of the Second Engineer Special Brigade,
.
http://www.2esb.org/04_History/Book/Chapter_01.htm
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Only in Oz.... [8|] [:D]ORIGINAL: Knavey
Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?[:D]
I thought that happened in New Zealand?
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
i thought it was in OZ, but can't find a reference right now.ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Only in Oz.... [8|] [:D]ORIGINAL: Knavey
Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?[:D]
I thought that happened in New Zealand?
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
There were also a lot of problems in Noumea as well, but i think that was just because the situation was fouled up beyond recognition rather than a labor strike... i think the dockworkers wouldn't work overtime, though. The US ended up using Marines, and many of the supplies were ruined due to rain, lack of warehouses, etc.
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Not a lot of detail
The "Amphibs", as they were known, were specially selected from
men with maritime or other relevant experience . Eventually three brigades
of "Amphibs", the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Engineer Special Brigades, served
in the Pacific . The establishment of a brigade was 360 officers, 7,000 men
and 550 landing craft ; each brigade included three Boat and Shore Regiments
Can this book be found?
History of the Second Engineer Special Brigade,
.
http://www.2esb.org/04_History/Book/Chapter_01.htm
Excellent link. Again no TOE, but a very interesting read.
Thanks to you and to everyone that replied.
RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
i thought it was in OZ, but can't find a reference right now.ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Only in Oz.... [8|] [:D]
I thought that happened in New Zealand?
I think it happened just about everywhere, except maybe Germany & Russia.
Comes along with being a Democracy.
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