Supply Question: Australia
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Supply Question: Australia
Hello guys,
yesterday i reinstalled WITP and started to play 43´Campaign...hell i missed this game![:D]
But now, i have a question:
Can the forces in australia, solomons and so on be supplied only out of australia?
Its long time ago i played WITP until yesterday, and i didn´t see supplys coming in Sydney,
Brisbane or other City...(im mean this: Supplies 23000/2500)
Can´t remember i shipped large amounts of supplies and fuel across the pacific to Australia
in my last game more than 1,5 years ago..
Please help!:-)
Thank you!
yesterday i reinstalled WITP and started to play 43´Campaign...hell i missed this game![:D]
But now, i have a question:
Can the forces in australia, solomons and so on be supplied only out of australia?
Its long time ago i played WITP until yesterday, and i didn´t see supplys coming in Sydney,
Brisbane or other City...(im mean this: Supplies 23000/2500)
Can´t remember i shipped large amounts of supplies and fuel across the pacific to Australia
in my last game more than 1,5 years ago..
Please help!:-)
Thank you!
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RE: Supply Question: Australia
Short answer no. Long answer, yes probably without any offensive operations and if you limit base expansions.
To quote a famous australian ' You can live on it but it taste like ....'
To quote a famous australian ' You can live on it but it taste like ....'
RE: Supply Question: Australia
Hmmpf....this means i have to take Makin, Kwajalein and Tarawa at first, there are simply in the path to pearl harbour and convoys will come under air attack for shure...cant remember last time i do it...i´m getting old!![:D][:D]
Thanks!
Thanks!
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RE: Supply Question: Australia
ORIGINAL: Odin
Hello guys,
yesterday i reinstalled WITP and started to play 43´Campaign...hell i missed this game![:D]
But now, i have a question:
Can the forces in australia, solomons and so on be supplied only out of australia?
Its long time ago i played WITP until yesterday, and i didn´t see supplys coming in Sydney,
Brisbane or other City...(im mean this: Supplies 23000/2500)
Can´t remember i shipped large amounts of supplies and fuel across the pacific to Australia
in my last game more than 1,5 years ago..
Please help!:-)
Thank you!
no chance to supply all those areas without shipping in supplies from the US. You have enough supplies that you don´t starve your troops but you don´t have enough to wage war.
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RE: Supply Question: Australia
ORIGINAL: Odin
Hmmpf....this means i have to take Makin, Kwajalein and Tarawa at first, there are simply in the path to pearl harbour and convoys will come under air attack for shure...cant remember last time i do it...i´m getting old!![:D][:D]
Thanks!
you don´t have to take these bases to supply Australia! It´s just a longer way if you bypass them and that´s what most (ALL?) Allied players have to do...
RE: Supply Question: Australia
Because of the hex geometry, it isn't a longer way actually. The default path between SF and Oz is close to Tarawa or the Marshalls. But you can route the convois to the southwest first (Line Islands), then west. It's exactly the same number of hexes.
Only if the Japanese advance further than historical (capture one of the Line Islands, Fiji or New Caledonia), the way to Oz will become longer.
Only if the Japanese advance further than historical (capture one of the Line Islands, Fiji or New Caledonia), the way to Oz will become longer.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
RE: Supply Question: Australia
If you are going to operate US 7th Fleet in SOPAC you will need fuel
If you are going to launch offensives with SWPAC LCUs you will need supplies
If you are going to make any offensive out of Oz then I'd suggest sending oil to Sydney (the Oz HI will convert it to supply AND fuel - thats a 2 for 1 return).
If you are going to launch offensives with SWPAC LCUs you will need supplies
If you are going to make any offensive out of Oz then I'd suggest sending oil to Sydney (the Oz HI will convert it to supply AND fuel - thats a 2 for 1 return).
RE: Supply Question: Australia
Odin,
bring along some oil. In my experience (stock only), shipping a TK load of oil from the US west coast to Australia eveery now and then really seems to reduce the amount of supplies you need to import.
Hartwig
bring along some oil. In my experience (stock only), shipping a TK load of oil from the US west coast to Australia eveery now and then really seems to reduce the amount of supplies you need to import.
Hartwig
RE: Supply Question: Australia
Hm..that is something i shurely never done in the past.
Thank you.[:)]
Thank you.[:)]
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RE: Supply Question: Australia
Route your convoys to Australia by setting the destination hex a few hexes east of Suva and setting the home port as Brisbane (or Sydney, or whatever) with retirement allowed. This will keep them away from the Japanese Bases and under the air cover of Central Pacific - South Pacific - Oz bases. Spread your patrol squadrons out along this path. Run as many ASW Hunter Killer groups along this path. Oh yeah... Take a look at the position and path every turn and actively manage the convoys to keep them moving and out of harms way.
I have been inputting my orders for the campaign game first turn since July 4, 2009. I'm getting close. In another month or two, I might be able to run the turn!
RE: Supply Question: Australia
My experience has been similar to hartwig's. I play CHS so it may be set up a little different from stock, but I find that Australia is deficient only in Oil. I get the impression a lot of players don't pay much attention to Australian industry and just ship alll supplies into Aus and leave it at that.
Australia actually has a lot of the on board industry and factories and I find that aslong as they get enough oil (and in stock I think they need resources too) then Australia can, at the very least, supply its own forces (which are suprisingly sizable for a minor power) and keep their A/C production going.
This is especially handy if the shipping lanes to the US are threatened and Australia needs to fend for its self for a while.
I usually ship as much oil out of the DEI as I can in the early days and this inevitably finds its way to Australia which leaves a good stockpile for later.
Once US forces start to arrive in numbers you will need to bring in supplies from the US. Once you switch from defensive to offensive Ops you will need to bring HEAPS of supplies from the US. But I think the Allied player does themself a favour but not ignoring the industry outside the US.
Australia actually has a lot of the on board industry and factories and I find that aslong as they get enough oil (and in stock I think they need resources too) then Australia can, at the very least, supply its own forces (which are suprisingly sizable for a minor power) and keep their A/C production going.
This is especially handy if the shipping lanes to the US are threatened and Australia needs to fend for its self for a while.
I usually ship as much oil out of the DEI as I can in the early days and this inevitably finds its way to Australia which leaves a good stockpile for later.
Once US forces start to arrive in numbers you will need to bring in supplies from the US. Once you switch from defensive to offensive Ops you will need to bring HEAPS of supplies from the US. But I think the Allied player does themself a favour but not ignoring the industry outside the US.
RE: Supply Question: Australia
Oil supply for Oz is really important. If you don't send oil, they don't produce fuel - thus you have to send the tankers anyway. If they bring oil, it will create supply, too. If they bring fuel, there is no additional benefit.
Also don't forget the HI at New Zealand. I'm not sure about other mods, in RHS they need both oil and ressources. Ressources can be sent from Oz easily (only a small detour for convois returning from Sydney to SF). NZ will not starve if you don't send oil, but if you do, it can export supplies. It's always nice to have a source nearby. If your mod has HI on Tasmania, send some oil there, too - for the same reason.
The best convoy routes are those close to your own bases. E.g. send the convoy to a hex somewhere between SF and Palmyra and set Palmyra as homeport. When the convoi is close to Palmyra, send it towards Canton Island in a similiar way. Because of these homeport changes, the escorts will refuel less often, the convoy will be faster.
Put a Catalina unit and a lot of obsolete bombers any island near the route and set them all to 100% naval search. The bombers are the best protection against subs, the Catalinas should spot most raiding carrier forces.
Large convois are best against subs - you can afford a good escort for them, and even if it fails, you will lose only one ship out of many to that sub. But large convois are more vulnerable against CV raids... Try to vary the routes often. Don't always use the same route, avoid the default route (homeport set, then "return to home port"). If the convoy was spottet by a sub or Glen, you should change the course. If it was spottet by anything else, shatter the convoy and run away in all directions...
If you pay some attention to these convoys, the Japanese can hardly hurt them. Maybe you lose a ship now and then, but that does not cause any trouble to the Allies. It hurts a bit if an airgroup is sunk, but it will respawn soon. Just make sure that no LCU is loaded on a single ship - always use at least 2, even for the smallest ART or ENG batallion. If you're paranoid (or your opponent loves CV raids), send these ships in different convoys with a good safety margin to each other.
Also don't forget the HI at New Zealand. I'm not sure about other mods, in RHS they need both oil and ressources. Ressources can be sent from Oz easily (only a small detour for convois returning from Sydney to SF). NZ will not starve if you don't send oil, but if you do, it can export supplies. It's always nice to have a source nearby. If your mod has HI on Tasmania, send some oil there, too - for the same reason.
The best convoy routes are those close to your own bases. E.g. send the convoy to a hex somewhere between SF and Palmyra and set Palmyra as homeport. When the convoi is close to Palmyra, send it towards Canton Island in a similiar way. Because of these homeport changes, the escorts will refuel less often, the convoy will be faster.
Put a Catalina unit and a lot of obsolete bombers any island near the route and set them all to 100% naval search. The bombers are the best protection against subs, the Catalinas should spot most raiding carrier forces.
Large convois are best against subs - you can afford a good escort for them, and even if it fails, you will lose only one ship out of many to that sub. But large convois are more vulnerable against CV raids... Try to vary the routes often. Don't always use the same route, avoid the default route (homeport set, then "return to home port"). If the convoy was spottet by a sub or Glen, you should change the course. If it was spottet by anything else, shatter the convoy and run away in all directions...
If you pay some attention to these convoys, the Japanese can hardly hurt them. Maybe you lose a ship now and then, but that does not cause any trouble to the Allies. It hurts a bit if an airgroup is sunk, but it will respawn soon. Just make sure that no LCU is loaded on a single ship - always use at least 2, even for the smallest ART or ENG batallion. If you're paranoid (or your opponent loves CV raids), send these ships in different convoys with a good safety margin to each other.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
RE: Supply Question: Australia
So much ideas![:)]
Cool friends, thank you.
About these mods, i am playing now WiTP with newest patch, nothing else, therefore i have no idea was CHS and RHS is....
I think i have to spend this whole night to set my supply chains up[:D].
Cool friends, thank you.
About these mods, i am playing now WiTP with newest patch, nothing else, therefore i have no idea was CHS and RHS is....
I think i have to spend this whole night to set my supply chains up[:D].