When?

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: Shadowdale1

Hi Shannon

I have being playing WIF since 1991 and I would like to know when computer will be release.
The group I'm in have game going.

Wayne
From Australia

Probably around Chrissie, mate

Cheers, Neilster

[undercovergeek]

goddamit, wheres the next progress report - its 00:51 here in the UK!!! [:'(]

Just think after this one, theres only 4 more to go before i disappear into a world of WiF and abuse from the Mrs!!!!

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: undercovergeek

goddamit, wheres the next progress report - its 00:51 here in the UK!!! [:'(]

Just think after this one, theres only 4 more to go before i disappear into a world of WiF and abuse from the Mrs!!!!

Oh, I don't know. Some mail-order leather and PVC products can get the latter going while you wait [;)]

Cheers, Neilster

[Shannon V. OKeets]

August 1, 2008 Status Report for Matrix Games’ MWIF Forum

Accomplishments of July

Project Management
There is no way I will be able to finish this by November 1st, which is what is needed to meet the scheduled December 2008 release date for MWIF product 1. There are too many bugs being found by the beta testers and the work on NetPlay has yet to reach the testing stage. Until I get a chance to talk with David Heath and Erik Rutkins, I do not know what the new scheduled release date will be.[&:]

Communications
I monitored all the threads in the MWIF World in Flames forum daily and uploaded versions 9.03, 9.04, 9.05, 9.06, and 10.00 to the beta testers.

Patrice sent me another pass on buffing and polishing the rules from Harry Rowland and I decided that as of July 4th, 2008 there would be no more changes to the Rules as Coded (RAC) document.

Rob Armstrong finished the last of the graphics for MWIF.

Dan and I remain in weekly communication, but very little progress has been made on NetPlay.

Peter Skoglund continues to help with developing scripts for the AI Opponent.

Robert Nebel continues to make progress on the Test Scripts, incorporating work from Jimm into the master spreadsheet.

Jesper Pehrson sent me his latest and greatest master file for the land unit writeups, which are 70% complete. Andy Johnson agreed to take over coordination of the naval units writeups, lessening my workload,

Michael Andersen (beta tester) has taken on the task of assembling the ~70 default scrap lists so new players can use a well thought out default list for each major power for each scenario. He has done 6 of the 11 scenarios so far.

No information from Matrix about getting a price on a printed copy of the map.

No communications with Chris Marinacci.

Hardware and Software Development Tools
I have not installed ThemeEngine July/2007. At the present I have some slight concern about Vista and this upgrade might correct the bugs that have been found when running the program under Vista (native mode). However, I am unconvinced that this will be a silver bullet that makes all those difficulties go away. Given that the game runs well on Vista machines using XP emulation, there seems to be no driving reason to make it work under Vista ‘native’ mode.

Beta Testing
I uploaded versions 9.03, 9.04, 9.05, 9.06, and 10.00 to the beta testers this month. This works out to a new version every 6 days, which is a pace I would like to maintain. Because I make changes daily, there is always a risk that the version being used by the beta testers is so different from the one I am using that I can’t interpret the call stack in the bug reports (generated automatically by MadExcept). Additionally, the beta testers keep reporting things I have already fixed if I do not give them frequent updates.

Version 9.03 had my first attempt at displaying the sequence of play during a game. This is fairly well developed by version 10.00, although there are still some holes, which reflects the fact I haven’t converted all the CWIF code for advancing the sequence of play to support NetPlay. But hey, it is really neat to be able to pop up the sequence of play diagram and see where you currently are. I used the flag icons to denote which major power is the active decision maker at the current point in the sequence of play.

Version 10.00 included map data changes which obsoleted my accumulated library of over 50 saved games. It is going to take some time, with a lot of help from the beta testers, to rebuild my library of saved games for testing different game situations. Nonetheless, the switch to a new ‘release’ number (from 9 to 10) was needed for other reasons as well. Small changes had accumulated such that some of the saved games, though usable, had embedded data values that were wrong, even though I had fixed the master files. Like all new releases, 10.00 give us all a fresh start.

The beta testers have each signed up for a set of test scripts, as prepared by Robert and Jimm. There are 22 test sets and the first 19 have been assigned at this point. For example, one set covers land combat, another naval combat, and so on. The intent here is to rigorously test the program against the test scripts, which were created by Robert and Jimm using the Rules as Coded document. I use RAC as my design specifications for the program.

Units, Map, and Scenarios
Only a few small items arose in July related to these fundamentally data driven aspects of the game. A couple of the names for militia units didn’t perfectly match the names of the cities where they were to be placed - producing program crashes. I did some idle calculations and the 3 files of unit writeups: air, land, and naval, currently total 3.25 MBs. Using 8 bytes per word that comes out to 400,000 words of text. There is a lot more to come, so it will undoubtedly exceed 500,000 words of historical writeups!

I posted current screen shots of all of the USSR - 18 screen shots - and a couple of weeks later posted another series covering southern Asia from the Middle East to Southeast Asia and China. Based on feedback from the forum members, Patrice improve the borders of, and terrain in, Iraq. Wosung, Patrice, and others revised the starting front lines in China, and China also got the addition of a couple of roads that simulate the extensive use of rivers for supply in China during the war.

I added Yugoslavia and Bulgaria as legal countries in the Barbarossa scenario, so Germany can rail move through those countries (e.g., from Berlin to Bucharest). I’ve had to refine the restrictions on setup to finely distinguish between the Dutch not being allowed to set up in Ceylon, while the Germans are allowed to set up in Libya. Getting the setup restrictions for all 11 scenarios, the 8 - 10 major powers, and the 250+ countries has been a royal pain to code.

Optional Rules
I removed Unrestricted Setup from the list of optional rules. It conflicted with at least a dozen other standard rules in the game and working out how to arbitrate between them was quite complex. Since the ‘benefit’ of this optional rule is dubious, and since it was not part of WIF FE, I removed it with a clear conscience. Not to fear, there are still 80 other optional rules remaining.

Player Interface
I completely revised the Resources - Production form, making it easier to read, more flexible, more informative, and even prettier. Unfortunately, I will have to come back and work on it again in the future, once I have designed how to enable the player to communicate how he wants his resources to flow to factories. The system used by CWIF was for the player to specify which sea areas/hexes the transportation route was to ‘avoid’, with the program ‘automatically’ figuring things out from there. Many CWIF players complained that in practice this was unwieldy to use.

I did a massive overhaul of the Declaration of War forms: on major powers and minor countries. The CWIF code provided almost no feedback to the player about what happened when the player clicked on various buttons on those forms. Instead, CWIF simply went ahead and did stuff internally. I’ve inserted a confirmation check to make sure the player knows he is about to declare war on a country and I added a list of DOWs that have occurred during the current phase. This enables the players on the same side to know what their allies are doing. I also spiffed up these forms a bit.

I finished my revisions to the Main form, the Units in Hex form, the Setup Tray, and the Flyouts. In aggregate these now require less screen space, leaving more of the detailed map visible. The Flyouts are evolving to be the primary way of moving land units, because they let you see all the units in a hex/stack and pick up one or more of them for movement. I have yet to add the code for the last task (picking up units from the Flyout form) but I expect to get that working tomorrow.

The key to these changes was making a Universal Unit Data Panel which appears in the Main form. Previously, both the Units in Hex form and the Setup Tray had a unit data panel, which takes up a lot of room. In combination with the Flyouts now showing the status indicators for each unit, the Universal Unit Data Panel let’s the player see virtually all the information provided by the Units in Hex panel. I am not sure that all the functionality of the Units in Hex panel has been subsumed, so for now I am leaving it as an alternative way for players to manipulate individual units in a stack, if they so desire. Be that as it may, I expect players will use the Flyouts instead, because it is faster to use and makes more of the map visible.

Internet - NetPlay
Dan has provided me with a complete task list for his finishing the technical code for NetPlay communications, along with his current status on each item. I expect to receive some actual code from him this coming week so I can connect my two computers in a LAN and see how it functions.

CWIF Conversion
The rewrite of the Resource - Production form converted the last large form from CWIF style to Theme Engine style. Yet to do are two small forms, Bidding for Major Powers and Saving Oil Points, which I’ll do when I work on those aspects of the game in detail.

The code to recalculate supply for units remains incomplete. The bugs in the current (CWIF) supply routines are beginning to drive me nuts. It is getting in the way of testing movement and combat in a lot of places. That is, out-of-supply air units can not fly missions and out-of-supply land units can not attack. If at all possible, I’ll finish this in the first half of August.

MWIF Game Engine
I finished the conversion of the code for the Ground Support phase to support NetPlay. The eighth and last air mission left to convert is Air Resupply, which is now in my cross hairs. I would love to draw a line through the task “Convert all 8 air missions for NetPlay”.

One of the beta testers reported air rebasing as working correctly, but that needs a more thorough pounding before I stop worrying about it.

My ultimate goal for the MWIF game engine is to have 53 modules, one for each ‘phase’ of the game. I have 15 of these done now, which includes almost all the difficult ones. The ‘biggies’ that are left to do are naval combat, land combat, and production. Until I complete these conversions, the code for the sequence of play has excessive anomalies when the deciding player changes. I need this code to be crystal clear for NetPlay, PBEM, and the AIO.

For instance, Germany declares a land attack, Italy flies bombers in support, the USSR fires anti-aircraft guns at the bombers; meanwhile the US is conducting an invasion with carrier air support in the Pacific and the Japanese are flying air units from carriers in adjacent sea areas as interceptors and some land based bombers as ground support. The player who next gets to make a decision changes frequently, is very dynamic, and can be just about any one of the players. For the programming, the requirements are to support all possible combinations of players (2 - 6), during all phases, subphases, and sub-subphases in the sequence of play. Getting this right, so the right person gets to make the decision and all the other players are informed of what his decision was, requires extraordinary code. And I do not use the word lightly.

Saved Games
I keep this functioning at all times. It remained stable in July; and I knock on wood every time I even think about it (“knock, knock”).

Player’s Manual
Nothing was scheduled for this in July - and that was done perfectly.

PBEM
I gave some thought to how the modifications to the sequence of play to support PBEM will occur in the code. It should be fairly easy to do. I’ve already made changes to generate Game Record Log entries for numerous decisions (e.g., all the decisions involving air missions). By simply having the program, operating as a quasi AI Assistant, generate the Game Record Log (GRL) entries, these decisions can be implemented with zero additional changes.

What is needed is a small player interface for players to define their “Standing Orders”. Mostly these are the rules that the AI Assistant (AIA) is to use to decide what, if any, GRL entries should be made. Serendipitously, the Language for the AI Opponent (LAIO) that Peter and I have been developing will work perfectly as a format for the internal storage of the Standing Orders.

To summarize, the player will use a small player interface to define what actions he wants the computer to make on his behalf, subject to certain on-map conditions occurring. The program will store these in LAIO format and execute them when the opposing player is the phasing player.

For example, France enters Standing Orders (SOs) for when it wants it fighters to intercept Germany’s air missions. France’s SOs are applied by the AIA during the German player’s air mission phases. This way the German player can fly his air missions through to completion without having to wait for the French player to respond to separate emails for each subphase decision: one email per air mission phase instead of 8.

Historical Detail, Animations, and Sound
Nothing new, rescheduled for the winter.

Help System and Tutorials
Matrix Games converted to a new system for their web site and moved it from New Jersey to Colorado. I have noticed a vast improvement in upload times. Previously a new release uploaded to their FTP site at the rate of 1 minute per megabyte. But yesterday I uploaded a 180 MB file in 32 minutes. Very nice.

I want to see if we can place the PowerPoint presentations of the 10 tutorials on the website for download by any one who is interested. This is not a high priority item for me, but I’ll see if I can get it to happen in August.

AI Opponent
Peter Skoglund and I have pretty much finished up the data set for how to set up the Finnish units if the USSR declares war on them before the USSR is at war with Germany. I want to review it one last time and then I’ll post it for comments in the forum. Perhaps I can induce some others to work with Peter to do similar scripts for the other minor countries. In the end, I want a script for every minor country in the game - that includes you Mexico!

Other
The hospital next door has placed all the steel I-beams for the roof structure and is accumulating aluminum panels now, that I assume will rest on top of the I-beams and form the roof bed.

My quartet had nothing but hard times in July. Our lead was in California 3 weeks ago, Molokai 2 weeks ago, and in Guam and Singapore this past week. Then 2 days ago our baritone did severe damage to his ankle; it’s not broken, but badly sprained and sporting a very impressive new black and blue color scheme. All in all we met once for 2 hours of rehearsal in July. Sad, very sad.
====================================================================
July summary: I was able to get a new version of the program to the beta testers weekly and to keep up with the onslaught of bug reports they sent. Another plus was that I made good progress on some major player interface elements. But NetPlay is far from being ready for the beta testers to work on and I did not find sufficient time to convert more phases of the game to support NetPlay. The latter will be essential once the technical aspects of computer to computer communications are ready for testing.
====================================================================

Tasks for August

Communications
Continue monitoring the forum threads.

Map and Units
Make any corrections to the map on the 20th.
Beta Testing
Upload versions weekly. [est. 2 hours]

Redesign of MWIF Game Engine
Work through the sequence of play giving each phase its own module. [est. 165 hours]

CWIF Conversion
Convert CWIF style internet formats to Game Record Log Formats. [est. 30 hours]

Test the new random number generator. [est. 5 hours in November]

Player Interface
Finish the code for determining and displaying supply lines. [est. 10 hours]

Fix bugs with player interface. [est. 20 hours]

Complete the Task Forces forms. Implement Task Forces as a new “unit type”. [est. 30 hours in September]

Create unit lists and hex lists for air missions. [est 20 hours]

Optional Rules
Review, comment, modify, and create code for optional rules [est. 20 hours]

NetPlay
Implement the bidding capability using NetPlay. [est. 10 hours]
Incorporate the Indy10 code for the two player system into MWIF. [est. 20 hours in September]
Incorporate the multi-player (more than 2) system into MWIF. [est. 10 hours in September]

AI Opponent
Define LAIO variables with their supporting functions. Write a parser for LAIO. Create a few more rules as text and encode them for testing the parser. [est. 30 hours]

Help System and Tutorials
Nothing scheduled until December.

Player’s Manual
Nothing scheduled until November.

Historical Detail, Animations, and Sound
Nothing scheduled until December.

Other
Things remain slow outside of working on MWIF. I am trying to get my quartet to agree to meet two nights a week so we can work on 4 songs for the Pan Pacific Convention competition October 30th.
================================================================
August summary: Keep the beta testers busy and respond to their bug reports. Continue work on Game Record Log conversions to support NetPlay for entire sequence of play. Make some progress on the optional rules. In other words, the exact same thing as last month.
================================================================

[panzers]

If I ever had any doubt that this game will be the most complex game of all time, I don't now. Steve, I know that you are under a lot of pressure, after all we are wiffers here and are chomping at the bit. But, we also know how important it is to make sure that such a game is done right. Everything you say seems very sincere and it comes with conviction that you cannot be satisfied unless it is done 100% by your tough standards. I think we all apreciate that. For the first time in almost a year you have left it open to the possibility that it may go into next year. As I have always said from the beginning: just make sure it is done right. I am not concerned about a December deadline. My one and only concern is that when I get the game, I can sit here and enjoy the game without it being interupted by a bunch of bugs. As always, great job everyone. I am going to WiFcon this Friday to play the FE for the first time to prepare myself for this game. I understand, now, why you can't be there. Rarely have I ever seen anyone so dedicated to his work. I do hope to meet you someday once this is done. Good luck to you and thanks for all the help everyone. I'm sure this is quite grueling for you. I hope all of your names will be mentioned as staff in the credits portion of the game. It seems like there is no way this could be done without your WiF expertise. That way, when I do see your names, I will know to make sure I never play you, lol, Steve [:'(] [&o][&o]

[Taxman66]

I agree, I'd rather wait then get it sooner and buggy with a need for lots of patches.
 
However, I also don't think the marketing timming should be much of an issue.  Somehow I doubt 'when' it is released is going to affect sales.

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Hardware and Software Development Tools
I have not installed ThemeEngine July/2007. At the present I have some slight concern about Vista and this upgrade might correct the bugs that have been found when running the program under Vista (native mode). However, I am unconvinced that this will be a silver bullet that makes all those difficulties go away. Given that the game runs well on Vista machines using XP emulation, there seems to be no driving reason to make it work under Vista ‘native’ mode.

Steve, can you deliver the software with a switch forcing XP emulation on? If you can't, I would reconsider this decision. expecting users to turn on XP emulation for the executable is too much. not in terms of logic, but in terms of actual user behavior. Many/most people will never turn the switch on, and you will receive a never-ending series of complaints about Vista behavior. You might as well staple a screenshot of the XP emulation checkbox to your forehead.

[SamuraiProgrmmr]

I also want to state that I would rather it be a complete, solid piece of software than to get it sooner.

As a developer myself, I know that you are more eager to finish the project than anyone on the planet. You also want to see it done right.

Hang in there. Keep up the excellent, dedicated work.

Kudos, Kowtows, and whatever else you can think of.

I, for one, believe in you.



TO MATRIX GAMES:

I can only speak for myself. I expect others will agree with my opinion, but that is their affair. Be that as it may, here is what I think...


Clearly, this is a business project that must show a profit at some point to be considered a success.

Clearly, this is a unique endeavor in that it is a FAITHFUL port of a complex wargame to a computer platform. Having not had the glimpse into the development process (ala Monthly Status Reports) for other games, it would be unfair to compare the professionalism of this project to any others. However, I can say that for the projects I have been involved in (in my 25 years of programming), this is the most organized project I have ever seen the details on. I have no doubts that it will succeed. It may take a little more time, but I believe in it.

I have too many times seen projects fall short of their possibilities due to rushing to meet a deadline. Please do not let that happen here. This project has the chance to be special. It has the prospect of greatness. Please do not pressure Steve to trim features or attention to details to rush it out the door.

However, I realize that business is business and without the economic concerns, many games would not be produced. I do not know what your arrangement with Steve is, nor is it any of my business. I do know that someone may start to feel a financial pinch because of these delays. Either Steve - because he is doing this instead of other lucrative employment - or Matrix Games - because they are paying more and longer than expected before release.

These things are intuitively obvious to any casual observer. The only question is how severe is the pressure to deviate from the 'golden path' that represents the perfect plan (i.e. if financial concerns were of no consequence). At some point these pressures will cause a change in the decision process. I hope this can be avoided.

Before these pressures get to a point where decisions detrimental to the quality of MWIF are being considered, I have a couple of suggestions that might help out. Obviously, these are only suggestions... the decisions are yours.


FIRST

I, for one, am willing to preorder and prepay for a copy of Matrix World In Flames at any time without a firm release date. This would be my way of 'putting my money where my mouth is' to help fund this development. Perhaps others would feel the same way.

SECOND

I recently saw a product released that had a different model for play testing.

Anyone who prepaid for their version was allowed to be a tester. This has benefits and drawbacks, I am sure. It may be a Pandora's Box. But once the copy protection scheme is in place, the danger of piracy is no worse than it would be for post release. This would give you cash flow and give the community a further sense of participation.

For the record, I am not making these suggestions to 'hurry up and get a copy of the game'. It may be months before I can find the time to play it anyway. I have not even submitted my name for playtesting because of that shortness of disposable time. It is an effort to find a way for the community to affirm that we believe that World In Flames is special, that Matrix World In Flames is going to be special, and that anything that will harm that specialness is bad. If, in order for that affirmation to make a difference, it needs to involve the exchange of money, I am willing to participate.

Steve - Hang in there!

Matrix - Hang in there with him!

[&o]

[SamuraiProgrmmr]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman


Steve, can you deliver the software with a switch forcing XP emulation on? If you can't, I would reconsider this decision. expecting users to turn on XP emulation for the executable is too much. not in terms of logic, but in terms of actual user behavior. Many/most people will never turn the switch on, and you will receive a never-ending series of complaints about Vista behavior. You might as well staple a screenshot of the XP emulation checkbox to your forehead.

I have seen games released that have a separate batch file to start the program in emulation mode. That might be simpler.

[Taxman66]

You could even have a checkbox on the opening splash screen. 

[cockney]

ORIGINAL: SamuraiProgrammer

I also want to state that I would rather it be a complete, solid piece of software than to get it sooner.

As a developer myself, I know that you are more eager to finish the project than anyone on the planet. You also want to see it done right.

Hang in there. Keep up the excellent, dedicated work.

Kudos, Kowtows, and whatever else you can think of.

I, for one, believe in you.



TO MATRIX GAMES:

I can only speak for myself. I expect others will agree with my opinion, but that is their affair. Be that as it may, here is what I think...


Clearly, this is a business project that must show a profit at some point to be considered a success.

Clearly, this is a unique endeavor in that it is a FAITHFUL port of a complex wargame to a computer platform. Having not had the glimpse into the development process (ala Monthly Status Reports) for other games, it would be unfair to compare the professionalism of this project to any others. However, I can say that for the projects I have been involved in (in my 25 years of programming), this is the most organized project I have ever seen the details on. I have no doubts that it will succeed. It may take a little more time, but I believe in it.

I have too many times seen projects fall short of their possibilities due to rushing to meet a deadline. Please do not let that happen here. This project has the chance to be special. It has the prospect of greatness. Please do not pressure Steve to trim features or attention to details to rush it out the door.

However, I realize that business is business and without the economic concerns, many games would not be produced. I do not know what your arrangement with Steve is, nor is it any of my business. I do know that someone may start to feel a financial pinch because of these delays. Either Steve - because he is doing this instead of other lucrative employment - or Matrix Games - because they are paying more and longer than expected before release.

These things are intuitively obvious to any casual observer. The only question is how severe is the pressure to deviate from the 'golden path' that represents the perfect plan (i.e. if financial concerns were of no consequence). At some point these pressures will cause a change in the decision process. I hope this can be avoided.

Before these pressures get to a point where decisions detrimental to the quality of MWIF are being considered, I have a couple of suggestions that might help out. Obviously, these are only suggestions... the decisions are yours.


FIRST

I, for one, am willing to preorder and prepay for a copy of Matrix World In Flames at any time without a firm release date. This would be my way of 'putting my money where my mouth is' to help fund this development. Perhaps others would feel the same way.

SECOND

I recently saw a product released that had a different model for play testing.

Anyone who prepaid for their version was allowed to be a tester. This has benefits and drawbacks, I am sure. It may be a Pandora's Box. But once the copy protection scheme is in place, the danger of piracy is no worse than it would be for post release. This would give you cash flow and give the community a further sense of participation.

For the record, I am not making these suggestions to 'hurry up and get a copy of the game'. It may be months before I can find the time to play it anyway. I have not even submitted my name for playtesting because of that shortness of disposable time. It is an effort to find a way for the community to affirm that we believe that World In Flames is special, that Matrix World In Flames is going to be special, and that anything that will harm that specialness is bad. If, in order for that affirmation to make a difference, it needs to involve the exchange of money, I am willing to participate.

Steve - Hang in there!

Matrix - Hang in there with him!

[&o]

Here here,

I agree with my 100%

if you want my bucks for a pre order I'll be next in the que.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: cockney

ORIGINAL: SamuraiProgrammer

I also want to state that I would rather it be a complete, solid piece of software than to get it sooner.

As a developer myself, I know that you are more eager to finish the project than anyone on the planet. You also want to see it done right.

Hang in there. Keep up the excellent, dedicated work.

Kudos, Kowtows, and whatever else you can think of.

I, for one, believe in you.



TO MATRIX GAMES:

I can only speak for myself. I expect others will agree with my opinion, but that is their affair. Be that as it may, here is what I think...


Clearly, this is a business project that must show a profit at some point to be considered a success.

Clearly, this is a unique endeavor in that it is a FAITHFUL port of a complex wargame to a computer platform. Having not had the glimpse into the development process (ala Monthly Status Reports) for other games, it would be unfair to compare the professionalism of this project to any others. However, I can say that for the projects I have been involved in (in my 25 years of programming), this is the most organized project I have ever seen the details on. I have no doubts that it will succeed. It may take a little more time, but I believe in it.

I have too many times seen projects fall short of their possibilities due to rushing to meet a deadline. Please do not let that happen here. This project has the chance to be special. It has the prospect of greatness. Please do not pressure Steve to trim features or attention to details to rush it out the door.

However, I realize that business is business and without the economic concerns, many games would not be produced. I do not know what your arrangement with Steve is, nor is it any of my business. I do know that someone may start to feel a financial pinch because of these delays. Either Steve - because he is doing this instead of other lucrative employment - or Matrix Games - because they are paying more and longer than expected before release.

These things are intuitively obvious to any casual observer. The only question is how severe is the pressure to deviate from the 'golden path' that represents the perfect plan (i.e. if financial concerns were of no consequence). At some point these pressures will cause a change in the decision process. I hope this can be avoided.

Before these pressures get to a point where decisions detrimental to the quality of MWIF are being considered, I have a couple of suggestions that might help out. Obviously, these are only suggestions... the decisions are yours.


FIRST

I, for one, am willing to preorder and prepay for a copy of Matrix World In Flames at any time without a firm release date. This would be my way of 'putting my money where my mouth is' to help fund this development. Perhaps others would feel the same way.

SECOND

I recently saw a product released that had a different model for play testing.

Anyone who prepaid for their version was allowed to be a tester. This has benefits and drawbacks, I am sure. It may be a Pandora's Box. But once the copy protection scheme is in place, the danger of piracy is no worse than it would be for post release. This would give you cash flow and give the community a further sense of participation.

For the record, I am not making these suggestions to 'hurry up and get a copy of the game'. It may be months before I can find the time to play it anyway. I have not even submitted my name for playtesting because of that shortness of disposable time. It is an effort to find a way for the community to affirm that we believe that World In Flames is special, that Matrix World In Flames is going to be special, and that anything that will harm that specialness is bad. If, in order for that affirmation to make a difference, it needs to involve the exchange of money, I am willing to participate.

Steve - Hang in there!

Matrix - Hang in there with him!

[&o]

Here here,

I agree with my 100%

if you want my bucks for a pre order I'll be next in the que.

Agreed by me too. You have my support ! [&o]

[terje439]

/sign

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Hardware and Software Development Tools
I have not installed ThemeEngine July/2007. At the present I have some slight concern about Vista and this upgrade might correct the bugs that have been found when running the program under Vista (native mode). However, I am unconvinced that this will be a silver bullet that makes all those difficulties go away. Given that the game runs well on Vista machines using XP emulation, there seems to be no driving reason to make it work under Vista ‘native’ mode.

Steve, can you deliver the software with a switch forcing XP emulation on? If you can't, I would reconsider this decision. expecting users to turn on XP emulation for the executable is too much. not in terms of logic, but in terms of actual user behavior. Many/most people will never turn the switch on, and you will receive a never-ending series of complaints about Vista behavior. You might as well staple a screenshot of the XP emulation checkbox to your forehead.

I support this. When the game is released it MUST work on Vista native.

But since MWIF is still some time from release then I wouldn't rush changing to the ThemeEngine. Maybe newer versions of ThemeEngine will appear before MWIF will be released that will help making the MWIF code Vista native compatible. I think as long as MWIF is in beta testing and the release date is not set in the near future then it's better to focus on fixing the bugs and making the modules of MWIF still not completed.

I fear that if Steve would have to make the MWIF code Vista native compatible now then this would create lots of new bugs for the beta testers to find and halt the progress of finishing the remaining modules. At some time one will have to jump into the unknown by converting all the code to the latest ThemeEngine and re-test everything in Vista. But I think it will be less hassle if all MWIF modules have been created and most of the bugs have been fixed. Hopefully not a lot of new bugs will then be created due to the conversion.

The beta testers can live with running MWIF in XP compatibility mode in Vista, but I agree that the end users will expect MWIF to run in native Vista mode. So this native Vista problem must be dealt with, but maybe not yet.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Hardware and Software Development Tools
I have not installed ThemeEngine July/2007. At the present I have some slight concern about Vista and this upgrade might correct the bugs that have been found when running the program under Vista (native mode). However, I am unconvinced that this will be a silver bullet that makes all those difficulties go away. Given that the game runs well on Vista machines using XP emulation, there seems to be no driving reason to make it work under Vista ‘native’ mode.

Steve, can you deliver the software with a switch forcing XP emulation on? If you can't, I would reconsider this decision. expecting users to turn on XP emulation for the executable is too much. not in terms of logic, but in terms of actual user behavior. Many/most people will never turn the switch on, and you will receive a never-ending series of complaints about Vista behavior. You might as well staple a screenshot of the XP emulation checkbox to your forehead.

Good point. Thanks.

[HansHafen]

I am willing to pre purchase if financial concerns are going to substantially impact the game in a negative manner. I don't know what the suggested price is, but I imagine its $100 or more.

Keep up the great work. This is my favorite game.

This game definately needs a release party at the end so everyone can meet each other and have a drink.

[NeBert]

Steve,

my first priority is quality!
I would hate it to play MWIF for some hours and then one bug makes all that time obsolete. Or I would rely on the effect of a rule but nothing happens....

My proposal to speed up the process would be to skip the approx. 80 optional rules (or at laest reduce them to an absolute minimum) for the first sw-release.
The rules could be then implemented step by step. Maybe a survey here in the forum could indicate a priority-list for implementation after the first release?

Just a proposal of course!
Anyway, you´re doing a great job - hang on!

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

I am willing to pre purchase if financial concerns are going to substantially impact the game in a negative manner. I don't know what the suggested price is, but I imagine its $100 or more.

Keep up the great work. This is my favorite game.

This game definately needs a release party at the end so everyone can meet each other and have a drink.

Thanks, but about that party, ...

Me - Honolulu
Patrice - Marseilles
Rob Armstrong - Australia
David Heath - Colorado
Erik Rutkins - Vermont
Dan Hatchen - Saskatchewan
Lars & Terje - Norway
Michael Andersen - Denmark
Andy - Idaho
Jesper - Belgium?
Wosung - Germany
... I apologize to dozens of others I did not mention here.

[christian h.]

I agree with the others - I would be happy to pre-pay and order the game without a release date. Kepp on keeping on![:)]

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: HansHafen

I am willing to pre purchase if financial concerns are going to substantially impact the game in a negative manner. I don't know what the suggested price is, but I imagine its $100 or more.

Keep up the great work. This is my favorite game.

This game definately needs a release party at the end so everyone can meet each other and have a drink.

Thanks, but about that party, ...

Me - Honolulu
Patrice - Marseilles
Rob Armstrong - Australia
David Heath - Colorado
Erik Rutkins - Vermont
Dan Hatchen - Saskatchewan
Lars & Terje - Norway
Michael Andersen - Denmark
Andy - Idaho
Jesper - Belgium?
Wosung - Germany
... I apologize to dozens of others I did not mention here.

The answer is obvious...everyone come to Connecticut.

P.S. Please bring wine and beer.

Thank you.