Some hope for Jap players out there....

[Miller]

In my game it is now March 44. My opponent has took the whole of the PI (dont ask!) and is invading Okinawa. I decide to let loose my kamikaze sqds, the only previous time I had tried to use them they decided to attack a land base in China, so I did not expect much from them.

Over the course of 2 days they have sunk 8 [X(] CVE's as well as many transports and escorts. The 2E army bombers seem to make the best kamikazes as they are more durable can survive heavy flak. Just make sure you have plenty of bullet sponges (escorts) to enable them to get through the CAP.

Obviously I am still going to lose the game but at least I still have teeth!

[Terminus]

But how's that possible? Everyone "knows" that Kamikazes are "broken"...[:D]

[Q-Ball]

Miller; are you talking about your game with Dan, and his AAR?

What altitude setting are you using? How experienced are your pilots?

I am in mid'43 in Big-B's mod as Japan, and I am curious how my Kamis are going to do.

[Miller]

Hi Q-ball, yes its my game against Dan.

Most of the Kami's were between 70-80 exp, and I varied the altitudes, 6k for the 2E, 10k for the DB and 20k for Zekes.....plenty of escorts as well, although his CAP was not that strong...about 30 F6F and 40 FM-2 Wildcats.

One problem though is that once a sqd has been converted to Kami's and expended, the only way you can retrain then is using the "training" option, so they will never get above 60 exp again. Definately a one shot weapon[&o]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Miller
One problem though is that once a sqd has been converted to Kami's and expended, the only way you can retrain then is using the "training" option, so they will never get above 60 exp again. Definately a one shot weapon[&o]

WHAAT? You mean a veteran Kamakazi doesn't get a "bonus" on his second suicide mission? What a gyp! [:D][:D][:D]

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Miller

Hi Q-ball, yes its my game against Dan.

Most of the Kami's were between 70-80 exp, and I varied the altitudes, 6k for the 2E, 10k for the DB and 20k for Zekes.....plenty of escorts as well, although his CAP was not that strong...about 30 F6F and 40 FM-2 Wildcats.

One problem though is that once a sqd has been converted to Kami's and expended, the only way you can retrain then is using the "training" option, so they will never get above 60 exp again. Definately a one shot weapon[&o]

Good Lord...[8|]

[Miller]

No need to be a smart arse Terminus. Perhaps I should have worded it better.

What I meant to get across is the fact that once the sqd is destroyed it cannot be converted back to a "normal" sqd.....i.e. it cannot perform bombing or search missions once it has been filled with new pilots from the pool. So in effect once a sqd has been used it will never achievet the same results with new pilots.

[panda124c]

Sorry guys but this reminds me of a story.

I use to have a t-shirt which read "Be a Kamikaze pilot drive a Datsun" at a party a young lady ask me if I really was a Kamikaze pilot, I told her yes and a very successful one. The look on her face was priceless, she knew something had gone over her head but she wasn't sure what. Yea she was blonde. [:D]

[Terminus]

Sorry, Miller... Had an uncontrollable urge for smartarsiness and couldn't stop myself...

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Sorry, Miller... Had an uncontrollable urge for smartarsiness and couldn't stop myself...

Honestly, my friend, have you ever had a controllable urge for smartarsiness??? [:'(]

[Terminus]

Haven't you gotten to 5,000 posts yet?[:'(] I've been here three and a half years less than you and have almost six times as many posts...[;)][:'(][:D]

[USSAmerica]

I rest my case.  [:D]

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: Miller

Hi Q-ball, yes its my game against Dan.

Most of the Kami's were between 70-80 exp, and I varied the altitudes, 6k for the 2E, 10k for the DB and 20k for Zekes.....plenty of escorts as well, although his CAP was not that strong...about 30 F6F and 40 FM-2 Wildcats.

One problem though is that once a sqd has been converted to Kami's and expended, the only way you can retrain then is using the "training" option, so they will never get above 60 exp again. Definately a one shot weapon[&o]

Is it possible to convert a FRAGMENT to Kamikaze, keeping a parent unit "Normal" somewhere else? If so, you could expend the fragment, fill-out the parent unit, bomb some helpless Chinese or something, and WA LA, trained pilots.

I don't know if it's possible, but is it possible to switch a FRAGMENT to Kami like so:

1. Upgrade Helen to Sally (or whatever)
2. Next turn, fly out the 5 or so repaired A/C somewhere else. That is the PARENT.
3. Switch the remaining FRAGMENT to Kami
4. Wait for all the A/C in the fragment to repair
5. Fragment DIES GLORIOUSLY
6. Fill out Parent, bomb some Chinese for a month until exp. is 65 or so
7. Go back to #1

[Miller]

Sounds like a plan, I will give it a try!

[Canoerebel]

I hope it doesn't work.
 
 

[Terminus]

Me neither. This is cheating, pure and simple.

[Feinder]

I'm curious for the broad picture (because I'll be on the recieving end soon enough)...

1.  How many TFs were attacked?

2.  How many CVEs per TF? (was there 5 in one TF, so you had plenty of targets in one basket, or where they spread out?)

3.  What sort of other targets in the TF?  Were there any BBs or other CVs being targeted as well?

4.  How much CAP and what sort (in my experience, the CVEs get stuck with FM-2, which pale compared to F6F, and your TF is much more vulnerable to Kamis).

5.  How many escorts did you have? (per strike)  What sort of losses to escorts from CAP?

6.  How many kamis did you have? (per strike)  How many got thru CAP?  How many got thru Flak?  What sort of losses to kamis from CAP/Flak?

-F-

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Me neither. This is cheating, pure and simple.

Well there is cheating and bending the game system. I agree with you on this point however, and therefore I will not try it.

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Me neither. This is cheating, pure and simple.

Mr. T, I know how you feel about on-map training programs, and it is clearly a non-historical work around. Players do it because the Japanese Pilot replacements are much lower than historical (30 per month in Big B), and the Uber-Cap losses much higher. You can get an entire years worth of pilots shot down in an afternoon. (or 2 years, ask Miller). That ain't right. And you also won't get a 13% hit rate (US Navy's estimate of Kami hit rate IIRC), using 35exp pilots as Kamis.

It's a workaround to some issues that should be fixed in AE. I don't think it's cheating. I admit that Kami fragments could be gamey, I'm just saying it could work. Maybe Miller and Dan should have a house rule.

BTW, how many Danes play WITP? My opponent is Danish

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

I'm curious for the broad picture (because I'll be on the recieving end soon enough)...

1.  How many TFs were attacked?

2.  How many CVEs per TF? (was there 5 in one TF, so you had plenty of targets in one basket, or where they spread out?)

3.  What sort of other targets in the TF?  Were there any BBs or other CVs being targeted as well?

4.  How much CAP and what sort (in my experience, the CVEs get stuck with FM-2, which pale compared to F6F, and your TF is much more vulnerable to Kamis).

5.  How many escorts did you have? (per strike)  What sort of losses to escorts from CAP?

6.  How many kamis did you have? (per strike)  How many got thru CAP?  How many got thru Flak?  What sort of losses to kamis from CAP/Flak?

-F-

Going from memory:

1 - I think there were 3 or 4 TFs all in the same hex

2 - 2 or 3 per TF

3- I think there were only CVEs and DDs so 99% went for the carriers

4- Approx 70, 30 F6F and 40 FM-2/F4F

5- I am not sure but the escorts outnumbered the CAP and took heavy losses. But they tired the CAP enough so that most of the Kami's got through

6 - Again I am not sure but I think my largest strike had around 100 plus quite a few smaller ones. My escorts soaked up most of the CAPs bullets so only a few were lost to fighters. The 2E Helens survived the flak very well and I would say half that got through hit the target. Judy dive bombers and Zekes took moderate losses to flak but due to lower pilot exp scored fewer hits.

Just to add, I am not getting carried away about their ability, if they had faced his fleet carrier TFs with 300 F6F on CAP then I am sure nothing would have got through!