Most a/c lost in a single day

[Miller]

I lost over 800 in one day (as the Japs obviously)

Anyone beat the 1000 mark?

[Czert]

Wow, and allied losses ?
My top loses up to today is 20 in A-A - and destroyed only 6 in A-A , but I destoyed 48 enemyes on ground.

[USSAmerica]

Miller, check the Dark Side of the Moon AAR between Raverdave and Honda.  Toward the end, there was a massive slaughter of ALLIED planes.  I'm pretty sure Raver may have lost over 1000 planes that day.  [X(]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Czert

Wow, and allied losses ?
My top loses up to today is 20 in A-A - and destroyed only 6 in A-A , but I destoyed 48 enemyes on ground.

well, in game terms: that´s nothing...

[PzB74]

This is something I really don't like being reminded about [8|]
Results of Uber CAP in stock:

[Mike Scholl]

Looks about right..., "The Great (wherever it happened) Turkey Shoot"! Of course, the Allied losses are a bit high [:D]

[PzB74]

You can deduct 65 US Avengers from enemy losses. They were shot down in an unescorted sortie.
Result of 'opposite' Uber CAP [;)]

[Knavey]

ORIGINAL: PzB

You can deduct 65 US Avengers from enemy losses. They were shot down in an unescorted sortie.
Result of 'opposite' Uber CAP [;)]

An upgraded Torpedo 8?

[goodboyladdie]

ORIGINAL: PzB

This is something I really don't like being reminded about [8|]
Results of Uber CAP in stock:

[Saso]

Results of Uber CAP in stock:

1000 Japanese aircrafts lost in one day [X(][X(]

How many time to build them?
Did you have enough aircrafts/pilots to replace them?

[PzB74]

Well, it was probably close to 14 days of ac production down the drain.
Pilots could not be replaced - all have to be trained in combat or flying ground attack/supply missions.
Don't see a way around the latter because of the extreme losses.

If you manage to retain your industrial capacity you can afford to loose a lot of ac, but not on a scale like this.
The most disappointing thing of it all was that so extremely few ac got through the enemy CAP.
Most were simply lost for no gain.

[Saso]

If you manage to retain your industrial capacity you can afford to loose a lot of ac, but not on a scale like this.
The most disappointing thing of it all was that so extremely few ac got through the enemy CAP.
Most were simply lost for no gain.

Does it work better with Experimental Nik's Mod?
(I want to play my first grand campaign against AI with CHS 160 mod)

[John Lansford]

Just last night I had a TF of two CV's and two CVL's draw heavy and unwanted attention from Truk, mid-1943.  There were about 150 George, Tony, Zeke and Zero fighters, escorting a dozen Bettys and some Sallys.
 
My CV's didn't take a hit (Independence took a 100kg bomb that didn't penetrate the hull, big deal), but they lost 55 fighters, 45 Wildcats and 10 Hellcats.  I was really bummed out, then I looked at the combat report and saw the Japanese had lost 2/3 of those fighters, plus half the Sallys to get that one bomb hit.
 
I felt a little better after that...

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: Saso

If you manage to retain your industrial capacity you can afford to loose a lot of ac, but not on a scale like this.
The most disappointing thing of it all was that so extremely few ac got through the enemy CAP.
Most were simply lost for no gain.

Does it work better with Experimental Nik's Mod?
(I want to play my first grand campaign against AI with CHS 160 mod)

Chez and I rescinded our original rule of no more than 60% CAP due to the Experimental CHS mod's A2A combat effects (scen 159). I jokingly call it the "Billy Mitchell Mod" in that the bombers nearly always get through.

[Q-Ball]

PZB, I noticed your losses to date on that screen said 11,263, and your opponent about 35K.

That is clearly not right (you've lost over 8K Oscar IIs alone!), did you turn the meter over, and you have lost 111,263?

[Saso]

I jokingly call it the "Billy Mitchell Mod" in that the bombers nearly always get through.

Uhmm...it seem a good thing compared with stock or I miss something?

PZB, I noticed your losses to date on that screen said 11,263, and your opponent about 35K.

That is clearly not right (you've lost over 8K Oscar IIs alone!), did you turn the meter over, and you have lost 111,263?

Good comment, I never checked it.
Do you have really lost 8000 and more Oscar?
I know that sometimes the combat report overestimate the aircraft losses, is intelligence report reliable?

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Saso

If you manage to retain your industrial capacity you can afford to loose a lot of ac, but not on a scale like this.
The most disappointing thing of it all was that so extremely few ac got through the enemy CAP.
Most were simply lost for no gain.

Does it work better with Experimental Nik's Mod?
(I want to play my first grand campaign against AI with CHS 160 mod)

Nikmod "Experimental" is regrettably not suitable for vs. AI play because one of the main features of that mod version is greatly reduced AV support across the board for both sides. The AI attempts to compensate for the low AV levels by piling as much aircraft as it can at a few select bases that have the most AV support.

[PzB74]

The 111k lost ac would probably be right [8|]

There are really a lot of Oscar II units that can't be upgraded.
So you are basically forced to produce Oscar IIs throughout the war without PDU on.
They have a good range and can be used to distract attention of enemy CAP fighters.

The entire air combat system needs a revamp.
Can't simply put all attacking ac from one side up against all CAP on the other side in such a large hex.
Speed and approach from different altitudes and directions can't be simulated.

Can only cross fingers for what solution they come up with in AE.

[Saso]

Nikmod "Experimental" is regrettably not suitable for vs. AI play because one of the main features of that mod version is greatly reduced AV support across the board for both sides. The AI attempts to compensate for the low AV levels by piling as much aircraft as it can at a few select bases that have the most AV support.

Sorry to hear this (mainly after that I installed the mod [8|]).
Anyhow thanks for answer Nikademus.

The entire air combat system needs a revamp.
Can't simply put all attacking ac from one side up against all CAP on the other side in such a large hex.
Speed and approach from different altitudes and directions can't be simulated.

At the moment is there a mod suitable against AI or is better start a vanilla game?

[Czert]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Czert

Wow, and allied losses ?
My top loses up to today is 20 in A-A - and destroyed only 6 in A-A , but I destoyed 48 enemyes on ground.

well, in game terms: that´s nothing...

Well, I only played first month of game [;)]